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ajaanajaan Posts: 17,389 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I would love to hear some grade opinions on it. TIA


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  • sylsyl Posts: 943 ✭✭✭

    Is that 8 doubled on the right?

  • bosoxbosox Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭✭

    I'll guess proof (wire rim, flat fields, sharp strike) 64RB, but I do not like the eye appeal.

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  • 1960NYGiants1960NYGiants Posts: 3,487 ✭✭✭✭

    I agree w/Bosox

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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A couple more from the same submission.



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  • bosoxbosox Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭✭

    I respectfully disagree with our host's assessment that the first coin is a circulating example.

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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bosox said:
    I respectfully disagree with our host's assessment that the first coin is a circulating example.

    So did the well known Aussie seller and ANACS. I am not happy with PCGS.


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  • bosoxbosox Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭✭

    There are photos of nine 1958 Melbourne proofs in the following three links. About half of them show exactly the same machine doubling on the 8 and the word PENNY as does your coin..

    https://www.pcgs.com/valueview/elizabeth-ii-1953-1964/1958-m-1d-bn/5033?sn=143876&h=pop

    https://www.pcgs.com/valueview/elizabeth-ii-1953-1964/1958-m-1d-rb/5033?sn=143877&h=pop

    https://www.pcgs.com/valueview/elizabeth-ii-1953-1964/1958-m-1d-rd/5033?sn=143878&h=pop

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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Rob.


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  • sylsyl Posts: 943 ✭✭✭

    I wouldn't know a "proof" from a "spoof" and the only specimens that I know about, I leave at the doctor's office/lab ... however you can take bosox's opinion to the bank, as he is Mr Proof or Mr. Spec. Even Rob's fingers sparkle when he's handling his coins.

  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For those who didn't look up the coin, PCGS graded it

    MS64RB


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  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2020 2:03PM

    Send it back for review.

    Irrespective of the MS or PR designation, I think 64 is generous (on the 1958 coin).

  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:
    Send it back for review.

    Irrespective of the MS or PR designation, I think 64 is generous (on the 1958 coin).

    ANACS also graded it PF64RB. I think the grade is accurate. I like the toning/eye appeal. But I can see how some might not like it.


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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Going back to PCGS.


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  • SYRACUSIANSYRACUSIAN Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 20, 2020 2:35PM

    You shouldn’t have cracked it from the Anacs holder if it was a certified proof. Cross grading only, even possible downgrading if you absolutely insist on one company, but never crack them first.

    I sold an expensive proof 1873 coin to a collector. The coin was clearly under graded , at SP63, an area where NGC grades certain very rare coins as PR and PCGS as SP but with no difference in the market value. So ,he cracks it out and sends it to NGC. BTW, the coin was initially in an old fattie NGC Specimen 63 holder, before it became mine. Imagine his surprise when the low-mid 5 figure coin he had just bought returned as NGC MS63, when he was expecting a PR64-64+.

    And nothing could help him by then: not even my old TrueView of the coin stating it’s old PCGS grade, once it’s out of the holder, it’s the Wild West.

    I like the 1962 the best.

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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Syracusian I can't see your reply


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  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ajaan said:
    Syracusian I can't see your reply

    I can't see any of his replies! there is supposed to be one in the recent egypt coin thread also

    Spooky stuff

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Man it's weird as I see it! Maybe you guys accidently blocked Syracusian?

  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have no difficulties at all reading Syracusian's posts.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    this was happening to some people in the sports talk forum about a month ago. it cleared up after a while , I wasn't affected by it at that time.

    Could be a browser issue

  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well the coin in question was sent back to PCGS with Rob's notes about it. PCGS still called it MS. They just screwed me out of $200.


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