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2019 coins now part of registry sets with some errors in postion listings.

WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

So on that note one of my modern #1 sets now requires 7 coins to be 100% complete.

My set of American Innovation Dollars, Proof (2018-2032) has all 7 coins required for this set in Proof 70DCAM for proofs and PR70 for the reverse proofs.

I think that I should have the #1 set but it lists it at #61under the current finest. The set is: Complete at 100%, GPA weighted at 70.00 and GPA with Top Bonuses at 71.00.

My set should be listed as a #1 set and in the #1 slot position.

The sets ahead of mine are all lower in grade and the vast majority not 100% complete. The "show all current finest sets" stops at 59 sets, lol.

I will have to call on Monday ( I hope that I do not have to send in pictures LOL)

There is a set ranked #1 of all time and it is retired in the #1 spot. It has only 2 coins in it but still lists it at 100% complete.

I sure do hope that they also correct this concern for modern day sets.

Does anyone else have this problem with their modern sets?

Kennedys are my quest...

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  • winestevenwinesteven Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just checked mine, and so far all looks good.

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes I believe, they are in the process of adding the 2019's as required now for 2020. There are a few glitches in my modern sets. Some went unpublished, some say forbidden when trying to add the best available. I think this will be fixed by Monday

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They have made an attempt to fix some of the issues that I have listed above but still have listing issues.

    My set is now a #1 set in the 12th position of listings.

    They list this set as requiring only 7 coins but it should be 8.

    The 8th coin is the Pa reverse proof that was released on 12-05-2019.

    At least 5 sets above mine do not have all "7" required coins but still list their sets at 100% complete which they are

    not.

    Sets that do not have all the required coins should not be a #1 set until all the missing coins are added.

    Once the missing coins are added, you get back the #1 ranking.

    I know that this is a small thing and a Modern Set only issue but I thought that if two sets have the same "value"

    ( GPA with top Bonuses) that the first set to achieve the rating gets the higher listing. Not so with this set.

    It seems that whoever has started their set first ( by date), gets the top billing even if they are missing coins.

    I wonder what happens when I add the 8th coin to my set on Monday and nobody else has done so.

    I figure that this set will have around 114 coins when completed in 2032 so if we can fix the small bugs now that they

    won't become bigger ones latter. :)

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @winesteven said:
    I just checked mine, and so far all looks good.

    The ATB circulated set has you #1 Current finest (and yes, you also have a very nice DMPL Memorial), but my set does not even show up now?

  • winestevenwinesteven Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 6, 2020 12:52PM

    @Goldminers said:

    @winesteven said:
    I just checked mine, and so far all looks good.

    The ATB circulated set has you #1 Current finest (and yes, you also have a very nice DMPL Memorial), but my set does not even show up now?

    I just added the Frank River Church, so temporarily I’m the only one at #1. The composition does not give me any extra credit for the DMPL Memorial. Once other collectors add their missing 2019 coins, they’ll then be tied at #1. I suggest you email the Set Registry people at [email protected] to inquire about your missing set

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 7, 2020 7:37AM

    It looks like mine are fixed this morning for current sets, but the all time lists are still off.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I finally called the set registry this afternoon (EST).
    I explained my issues about my set in my usual spastic voice LOL
    It took them less than 45 minutes to completely fix all my issues.
    THANK YOU PCGS SET REGISTRY!
    My set is now in the number 1 slot and the number 1 set in finest of all time and current finest.
    :)<3
    Customer service is at the highest level and they are extremely pleasant to converse with. o:)

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know of a set that still doesn’t have the 2018 dimes yet.


    Later, Paul.
  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Stooge said:
    I know of a set that still doesn’t have the 2018 dimes yet.

    call and tell them what needs to be fixed. They really try to correct issues as fast as they can ;)

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Today I find my set has now dropped into the #2 slot but still a #1 set. :'(
    The set that is now in the #1 slot added his coin a full day later than I did but he has a creation date earlier than mine by about 2 months or so. My set was the first to add the #8 coin required in which I worked with the Set Registry Team to open the slot so I could add the coin. Does anybody know how this listing policy really works? PLMK

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • JFK_CollectorJFK_Collector Posts: 107 ✭✭✭

    @WAYNEAS said:
    Today I find my set has now dropped into the #2 slot but still a #1 set. :'(
    The set that is now in the #1 slot added his coin a full day later than I did but he has a creation date earlier than mine by about 2 months or so. My set was the first to add the #8 coin required in which I worked with the Set Registry Team to open the slot so I could add the coin. Does anybody know how this listing policy really works? PLMK

    You might find the answer to your question here: https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/rules

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JFK_Collector said:

    @WAYNEAS said:
    Today I find my set has now dropped into the #2 slot but still a #1 set. :'(
    The set that is now in the #1 slot added his coin a full day later than I did but he has a creation date earlier than mine by about 2 months or so. My set was the first to add the #8 coin required in which I worked with the Set Registry Team to open the slot so I could add the coin. Does anybody know how this listing policy really works? PLMK

    You might find the answer to your question here: https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/rules

    I spoke with the set registry people of my concern. They are looking into why the sets that are tied are going by the date set started instead of who had entered the coin first. They will get back to me, so I will let you know when they let me know. :)

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Talked to Dave and he set me straight on the hierarchy of modern registry sets.
    When a modern set ranks as a #1 set and is 100% complete ( in this case with all set requirements being equal to those also with 100% completion and a #1ranking) the set that first achieved the #1 ranking goes in slot #1. If that set waits to put in newer required coins it will move down ( not being 100% complete at that time) but upon bringing his set back up to a #1 set and 100% complete, it will go back into the #1 slot of listings in both finest ever and current finest. The date in which the set was started and was brought into the best ranking of #1 is the deciding factor for slot position. My set will never fall lower than Slot#12 but can move up if other sets do not continue to upgrade their sets for ever or retire them! :(
    Thanks again Dave in enlightening me. :)

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • smalltimesmalltime Posts: 171 ✭✭✭

    All that is pretty straightforward, but why in the KENNEDY HALF DOLLARS BASIC SET, CIRCULATION STRIKES (1964-PRESENT) all time finest are there retired sets that are missing the last 6 years even in the top ten? the title of the set is 1964-present and they are missing the last 12 coins. Maybe this should be renamed to "Top Historical Sets" as it does not reflect sets that are up to date. This All Time Finest is immaterial to me because the sets are not up to date.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @smalltime said:
    All that is pretty straightforward, but why in the KENNEDY HALF DOLLARS BASIC SET, CIRCULATION STRIKES (1964-PRESENT) all time finest are there retired sets that are missing the last 6 years even in the top ten? the title of the set is 1964-present and they are missing the last 12 coins. Maybe this should be renamed to "Top Historical Sets" as it does not reflect sets that are up to date. This All Time Finest is immaterial to me because the sets are not up to date.

    The issue here is that these sets were "retired" when they were the top or best at the time of retirement.
    You can talk directly to David Hall at PCGS and voice your concerns. Give him a call. He is a pleasant person to talk to and will explain to why PCGS does what it does and why modern set lists are as they are. I agree with you that retired modern sets are not valid when they are not up to the required coins needed (100%). I talked to "Roxanne" ( a really great, pleasant person and knowledgeable in set criteria) about the same issue on my "American Innovation Dollars, Proof (2018-2032)" set and explained my concerns. This set had a retired set at #1 best all time with only 1 or 2 coins in it and the set required 8 or 9 coins ( don't remember which). She corrected this set that when a new coin was required, all sets went to a less than 100% completion including retired sets. This moved the "retired all time best set" down below those sets that were more active and more complete and when these other sets added the new required coins were moved up to the all time best and current best slots at 100% completion. I hope this helps and please feel free to ask me more questions in which I might help. I have many Kennedy registry sets ( that will contend but never have the #1 listing in either category) but I get tired of asking PCGS to fix or explain why they do things this way. I personally feel that if you add a require coin before any other set that your set should be in the number 1 slot and as the number 1 set if 100% complete but PCGS lists all sets that become the best and are #1 by the first set that registered its set (date). I am now aware of the set rules and abide by them. Good luck and please let me know how you make out and what the result are. ( I typed this under the influence of coffee and wine) lol ;) Don't judge me again lol :*

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,681 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First David Hall is no longer working at PCGS. I realize some "retired" sets may sell off coins or may not even have the last ones added for the newer years since their retirement, but many of these sets, often still have the highest graded sets, missing coins included. That is to say, until your GPA is higher than those sets, you're never going to go around them.

    WS

    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
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