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Can you grade 8 escudos ?

bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Granted these pictures are not the best but I’m curious as to your thoughts on the grades of these
1757 and 1758 8 escudos ?

One of them is already graded by PCGS.

If your going to participate then no peeking at the PCGS pops allowed . :)


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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2019 7:56AM

    YES, yes, and sometimes. :)

    I grade these coins as I would any coin. I'll play when I get home from work today. There is no secret. That's because looking at a coin and grading it TECHNICALLY can be taught very easily: You need to know just a few basic things including:

    1. What these coins look like in Unc.
    2. How to tell a weak strike from friction wear.
    3. How to detect cleaning.
    4. The appearance of an "original" surface.

    Disagreements may occur between folks across the pond who specialize in these coins, technical graders, and TPGS.

    So, as with any coin, if you agree with the grade on the slab label THAT'S IS GOOD ENOUGH. As you demonstrated with your other GTG, some of us will think a particular coin is over graded, under graded or correctly graded. Bottom line...We are lucky to have the opinion of any major TPGS! :)

    PS The glare on the coin above is hiding the amount of rub, mint luster, and hairlines.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One other thing. Playing guess the grade using a graded coin >:) may keep some of us from expressing ourselves completely the way it is done in a grading class!

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    YES, yes, and sometimes. :)

    I grade these coins as I would any coin. I'll play when I get home from work today. There is no secret. That's because looking at a coin and grading it TECHNICALLY can be taught very easily: You need to know just a few basic things including:

    1. What these coins look like in Unc.
    2. How to tell a weak strike from friction wear.
    3. How to detect cleaning.
    4. The appearance of an "original" surface.

    Disagreements may occur between folks across the pond who specialize in these coins, technical graders, and TPGS.

    So, as with any coin, if you agree with the grade on the slab label THAT'S IS GOOD ENOUGH. As you demonstrated with your other GTG, some of us will think a particular coin is over graded, under graded or correctly graded. Bottom line...We are lucky to have the opinion of any major TPGS! :)

    PS The glare on the coin above is hiding the amount of rub, mint luster, and hairlines.

    Im sorry that is the best pic i could do ...hope you can chime in

    Suffice for me to say that the Surfaces look about the same...

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is what I see:

    There is a haze on the coin. You can best see it on the obverse in the lower left field (top photo). Note how it stops at the letters. There are bright diagonal streaks downward from the "VI." That indicates hairlines and there MAY be lots more. The original luster is still in the recesses of the neck, shoulder, and arm. That is the COLOR we are looking for on the rest of the coin. So obviously, the coin is not Uncirculated and far from it. There are lots of tiny nicks in the field but these should not affect the grade too much because we are NOT looking at a very Choice AU-58.

    I have NO CLUE what the grading professionals will call it. It is my TPGS AU-53 at the max! I would be extremely happy to see it in an XF-45 slab. You didn't show the reverse. My guess is that side is beautiful - at least an AU-55 and more than likely an AU-58. That's just the way these coins often come.

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2019 9:03PM




    What could the "haze" represent ?

    Thanks you for looking at these coins.

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2019 9:26PM

    Given my utter lack of knowledge about the series, I am somewhere in the AU-55 to AU-58 range on the 1757 given chatter in the fields and flat points on the strike. Lets call it AU-58 for lack of major distractions. All in all, a very attractive piece. The 1758 looks to be a grade higher on the scale, so perhaps a MS-61 or an AU-58 if the TPG is having a bad day. Cleaning is the hardest thing for me to identify on gold, so that could throw either technical grade out the window.

  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Your second set of photos are mostly overlit.

    But I will say AU 55. Certainly a desirable coin. TPGS are very generous anymore, so who knows.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,094 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They both look like decent AUs to me. The 1758 has a little more detail on the hair and coat, but that could just as easily be strike as it could be wear. The fields on the two look very similar in terms of disruptions. with more hairlines, presumably from light circulation, visible on the 1758, so I'll say AU55 for both.

    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said: "Thanks you for looking at these coins."

    What is the haze?

    Almost anything. In the right light, hairlines can change the color enough to LOOK LIKE haze. In this case it is either skin oil from handling or more likely a deposit of something to hide marks (like skin oil).

    I forgot there were two coins in this thread. My comments only pertain to the 1758.

    I agree with John. Both are probably graded AU, I could never be a finalizer at a TPGS because I learned to grade when Uncirculated indicated no trace of wear. Additionally, back then, MS/PR-65 was the highest grade a coin was graded. There was nothing between 65 & 70 and 70 was NEVER used. We've come a long way baby! Much of the change has been good.

    So after all the weasel words I'm going to guess each coin has been graded AU-55. I don;t agree. However they are very nice coins for all but the finest collections.

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You guys are good !

    The 1758 has not been graded but it came from a old time collection.

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice. To be fair, the TV is a bit better than the pictures provided ;)

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,256 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These Ferdinand VI pieces are so tough to find nice with so many being shipwrecked

    Latin American Collection

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2019 12:18PM

    @Boosibri said:
    These Ferdinand VI pieces are so tough to find nice with so many being shipwrecked

    Good to know. Your knowledge has served you well. Oops, not your coins. Obviously, the OP knows the ropes also.

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