Drew Brees
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not a Saints fan, quite obviously, but DB is easily my favorite player in the league. first time i saw him play was the '96 state championship game here in Texas when he was a senior at Austin Westlake. he shredded the "other" school from my hometown, 55-15. i remember him being an unreal QB at the time, but naturally i never saw last night's accomplishment coming.
i've always gravitated toward his style and have always admired what he represents on and off the field. i reminded myself last night that i best appreciate every game he plays in from here on out, because once he retires the NFL is going to lose a good one.
sure would love to see him get another crack at a ring, especially after the bullshit unforgivable act that went down last year. gimme a Brees-L Jax showdown in the Super Bowl and i'd be stoked.
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The irony of his TD record is he accomplished it against the team Manning played for 90% of his career.
He is a great QB and fun to watch. And like you mentioned he is just a great person. Humble all the way giving credit to his team mates for his accomplishments.
Drew Brees is a class act. I love watching him get his team fired up before they play. I've always loved watching him play. He is an NFL legend.
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I’m waiting for Dallas to come in and say his passing numbers are inflated since most games the Saints are down at halftime and Brees has to throw and throw and throw some more for the entire second half. Class act though for sure
Long dong silver. That's a porn name.
Yah..........really! Ken Anderson is/was much better!
talk radio says drew brees is at best the 15th best QB of the modern era
reason #1 Dome-inflation
I’d take Brady or Manning over him. And I was tongue in cheek with my Dallas Comment above but in all honesty that’s sort of how I really feel about him.
Ken Anderson was great for his era but not ever going to be in my conversation as a top 10 QB. Like ever
I remember to this day listening to him SHRED the Minnesota Gophers in a game back in the late 1990's. Seemed like he passed on every down and completed every pass that day!
I wouldn't even give him that. He was OK at best.
that's pretty much what he did last night. not only did he break the career passing TDs mark, but he went 29 of 30 and busted the record for single-game completion percentage (96.7%)
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I like Brees, but he has been shredded over on the Pats forum. Calling him a stat padder. Seems like a good guy to me and a great QB. Prob number 3 or 4 in his era.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Again, he is a stat padder but mostly out of necessity. Seriously how many second half comebacks have the Saints had by Brees throwing nearly every down in the 3rd and 4th quarter? I bet it is a LOT
https://captaincomeback.wordpress.com/2019/12/11/drew-brees-passing-king-comeback-king-the-goat/amp/
I don't understand perk's comment, but yours is just ignorant. I have no problem with anyone not seeing Anderson as being as great as I see him, but nobody who saw him play, and understands football, would ever say he was less than great.
And perk, if you want to fill your top 10 - or probably 40-50 - with QBs who started their careers in the 1980's or later, that's your right, but like I said, I don't understand the logic.
As is its your right to put Anderson any where you chose, I’m not saying anything negative at all about him, all I said he is not in my top 10, I’m not sure how that is illogical but trust me that its not a sign of disrespect. And I understand the game of football just fine and saw him play in the Super Bowl and was disappointed he didn’t get a Win.
"Stat Padder"? Why is it if someone likes a guy that has great stats it means everything, but if it's someone else's guy "he just padded his stats" WTF.
Brees has the highest completion % for the last three years along with an 8.0 YPA (average) over the last three years and the highest passer rating the last two, with a second place finish just before that.
I don't know if he's the GOAT or not, but to rip him as a "stat padder" is ridiculous!
I have to agree with Joe here. Calling Brees a stat padder beyond ridiculous.
And @dallasactuary ……..I saw Anderson play. Probably more than you. He was NOT great and would not be in my top 10 either. He is so far down it's not really worth thinking about.
I repeat: anyone who saw him play and understands football knows that Anderson was great. I stand by that statement 100%.
As far as top 10 goes, that's completely different. Perk, like most people, compares yardage and TDs and SB wins which creates an ENORMOUS bias towards modern QBs (and eliminates pre-Super Bowl QBs from the conversation entirely). Rank them however you want, and rank all of the apples atop all of the oranges if it makes you happy. I just think it's silly.
before the superbowl there was no football. Talking real football , college high school and canadian don't count. Before the modern era football was as stupid as the 6 team nhl , all records from that era of hockey are invalid as well.
This same principle also voids all the early boston celtics championships .
Opinions are like a$$holes....everybody has one. Yours doesn't count for much. You love Anderson and hate Morris...when Morris was a better pitcher than Anderson was a QB. Here are just some of Jack's accomplishments that Anderson failed to achieve!
Jack Morris:
He was a four-time World Series winner, a five-time All-Star and the author of what is possibly the greatest Game 7 World Series pitching performance of all-time.
But not even 254 big league victories and 14 straight Opening Day starts do justice to the legacy of Jack Morris, whose career can be summed up in one word: Competitor.
The only thing Anderson did was lose a Super Bowl!
Good grief not another misguided Morris defender. Isn't it enough he was gifted induction into the HOF with his career ERA of 4.
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OK, you got me. I thought you were serious, and you got me good. Anderson did not, in fact, win any World Series games. That was a laugh out loud funny way of letting me in on the joke! I would apologize for thinking you were an idiot all this time, but now I know that was what you were trying to make me think. Very well played.
Well there is more to it than just yardage, TD’s and Super Bowls. TD to int ratio, QB Rating, durability, completion percentage, luck of having good supporting cast, pocket presence, ability to read defenses and exploit them, knowing when to audible ect.. ect.. ect...
except QB rating is garbage
Actually it's quite impressive.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm#all_passing
not his QB rating , the stat itself. Too much about yards .
Drew Brees has been and continues to be an amazing quarterback. Well-deserving of many accolades.
The "home dome" advantage is discussed a lot, and in my opinion buoys the Tom Brady as GOAT argument.
As an unbiased third-party observer to this debate
I would like to intervene here and say that @Dimeman was not trying to say that Anderson played baseball. Rather he was comparing the level of their achievements, albeit in two different sports.
Any IDIOT would know that. I just let it go as a STUPID statement like everything else he post. In is own mind he thinks he is something special and all knowing when in reality he knows SQUAT!
How much does the "home dome" actually help? How many games a year are played in bad enough weather to give Brees an advantage?
Ignoring SB wins, as you should, and looking at the numbers, I see Brees with an advantage. Not huge, or really even clear cut, but that's how I see it.
Lets look at the Wide Receivers and Tight Ends that the two have been throwing to since 2001 for Brady (taking into account 2008 when he was hurt) and 2002 for Brees;
Brees got a pro bowl TE in Antonio Gates in 2004 and 2005 when he was with the Chargers.
His next pro bowler was Jimmy Graham in 2011,2013 and 2014.
He finally got an all pro receiver in 2016 in Michael Thomas who made all pro in 2017 through this year.
To be fair, he had Marques Colston for 10 years. Colston had six 1000 yard seasons and two of over 900. Not sure how he never got to be all pro.
Three pro bowlers who he played with for a combined 11 years of his 18 as a starter.
Brady started off with Troy Brown who was a pro bowler in 2001.
Randy Moss was a pro bowler once and had three 1000 yd seasons.
Wes Welker was a 5 time pro bowler.
Rob Gronkowski also made the pro bowl 5 times.
Julian Edelman hasn't made a pro bowl, but has had three 1000 yard seasons and a 972.
Four pro bowlers who he played with for a combined 24 years of his 18 year career.
Looks to me like Brady has had a pretty significant advantage here, even if you add Colston for Brees and Edelman for Brady. From 2007 till 2012 Brady had a pro bowl receiver on his team every year and two in 2011 and 2012.
Brady, Brees and P. Manning are 3 of the top 5 QB's in my opinion.
WE shall see soon if Anderson is a worthy senior HOF candidate. With the extra inductees I would think it s this year or never. He was good.
I have always though Brees was a super talented QB and a class act.
In the top 3 these past 10 + years.
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I’m literally shocked Marquis Colston was never an all pro? Reggie Bush was a definite weapon too
And as you know, Anderson had all of those except the luck of having a good supporting cast. And, as you also know, what we all acknowledge as luck - something that is entirely out of a QB's control - is given more weight than anything else in these GOAT conversations. And that's the part that makes zero sense to me. Never has, and never will because there is no plausible argument that it does make any sense. If John Doe is the GOAT playing for the Patriots recently, or the Steelers 40 years ago, then John Doe would be the GOAT playing for the Redskins today or the Saints 40 years ago. Impossible to identify him when he plays for a terrible team, I'll grant you, but then it's impossible to identify him playing for a great team since there's no way to factor out all his luck. Once you make "greatest" and "luckiest" the same thing, being the greatest doesn't mean much. I think we should at least try to take the luck out of it so that we're identifying a GOAT rather than a LOAT.
And Dimeman, I tried to let you keep your dignity but apparently you weren't interested in it. Still, I did laugh out loud at your post, so thanks for that anyway.
And thisistheshow, I did know what Dimeman was trying to do, but he did it so poorly it just amused me.
I think I’ve made it pretty clear in previous threads for you that I absolutely agree with you about there being too many variables and it being impossible to compare players between eras, Otto Graham was an absolute beast at QB but we can’t compare him to Anderson or Brady because of all the said variables. I’m happy saying Brady is the GOAT as you know and will never Put Anderson ahead of a Modern QB like Brady, Manning ect.. BUT that’s just me, I got no problems with you liking Anderson or whoever you say You like. I just can’t understand you saying you don’t understand my logic for putting Brady ahead of him? I think it’s fair to say that you will never hear anyone say that Anderson was better than Brady but again nobody will ever come up with a clear cut theory that holds any weight because it’s impossible to define the criteria for the GOAT that will satisfy everyone.
DA …… once again you show your total ignorance. And everything you post amuses me.
Brees also played with LaDanian Tomlinson. Brady with Kevin Faulk who was good for several years then with guys like Danny Woodhead and now James White who catch a lot of balls out of the backfield.
I don't have the time to look now, but there MUST have been some great receivers playing at the same time as Colston!
Here you said two very different things disguised as one thing, and that's why I'm confused.
Now, when I say you "need" to do these things, I mean if you want me understand your logic. But if you can't or won't do those things, you really shouldn't be surprised that I'm confused.
BTW, I don't, and never did, "like" Anderson. In those days I was an Oilers fan and Anderson was the enemy, and the most formidable one my team ever faced. If the rest of the Bengals had been half as good as Anderson, we'd have never beaten them, and Anderson would have more SB rings than Bradshaw.
Brees is a Great QB and definite first ballot HOFer. Stats will always be evaluated when determining a player’s success, how much depends on the individual. Playing in a dome is a clear advantage for QB’s when evaluating stats (Brees, Ryan, P. Manning, Watson) verses those who play in tough weather conditions (Rodgers, Brady, Wilson). It will be interesting to see who is selected for the NFL 100 team at QB, I have Brees in that group.
Regarding #2 My apologies, you are right. I guess a “Modern QB could include a Jay Cutler or a JP Losman for that matter and I can see how that would be confusing. I should have worded it differently. I’m not feeling it to get into exact specifics and draw up my personal top 10 QB’s of all time because some of them change depending on which side of the bed I wake up on but rest assured Anderson is not in there. Is he in my top 20? Unlikely, Possibly top 50? Yea absolutely but again nobody cares because it’s my personal opinion without any solid formula like we both agree on.
Domes don't help ?
Look at Brees stats outside versus inside . Then look at how many games in versus out?
Then look at the sad nature of any fanbase that sits in domes to watch their team versus the average adult bedwetter
Domes are clearly an advantage for Brees over Brady. Brees has a significant sample size of indoor vs outdoor games:135 indoor, 127 outdoor. His stats across the board are better and mostly significantly better indoors. He has lower comp. % TD%, y/a, and a higher int % outdoors.
Brady's stats are equally skewed in the same direction, with considerably better performance indoors. The difference is Brady has played 94.8% of his games outdoors.
I think it is fairly clear that if Brady had the same dome advantage Brees has enjoyed throughout his career, the comparison wouldn't be close between the two with Brady coming out well ahead.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
You have to give Brady credit for the conditions he is able to play in. This footage is from a typical game in New England in the winter, and as you can clearly see, the catch was made.
Posting some numbers would be nice.
Brees: indoors 135. 5177. 3618. 41824. 314. 116. 104.9
Outdoors. 127. 4456. 2899. 31790. 209. 110. 91.4
Brady. Indoors. 14. 411. 278. 3589. 30. 10. 109
Outdoors. 260. 9188. 5845. 67794. 489. 159. 96.4
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
That didn't format at all like I wanted it to, but I think you can decipher it
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I'll have to look myself, but it does look like indoors has a strong effect on rating.