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My First Variety - 1969S Double Die
Ocean
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Just registered here yesterday. Found this today. My first find ever. My phone camera is a little messed up right now, but I took some microscope shots.
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Dont wish to kill your enthusiasm, but this is not what you think it is. Rather than the rare doubled die, what you have is simple mechanical doubling. If you look closely, you will see that it is flat and shelf like. The real deal will stand out, but you are more likely to be struck by lightning tomorrow in a field of four leaf clovers with unicorns grazing on them than finding the 1969-s ddo (especially for your FIRST find)
Keep looking
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
These are very nice images you provided, but as DCW has already written, this is not the valuable doubled die. Welcome to the boards.
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OK. Thanks.
Welcome to the forums @Ocean.
Here’s a bit of good info on MD vs DD.
“Determining Die Doubling from Other Forms of Doubling”
http://conecaonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/StrikeDoublingFlyer-1.pdf
Those are some lovely photos! I can't wait to see more of your pieces. Keep hunting my man, you'll find a good one. Everyone always does ;-)
And don't feel bad or nothing. I found so many DDO and DDR before I actually had a real one. I still had problems with them as early as a year or two ago, and I've been a casual collector since I was a young boy.
And hey it could be worse. I found two DDO on a Washington and a Mercury Dime. But nothing is recorded in the Cherrypicker's Guide so nobody really cares. For all I know they're the only two specimens of those two types.
Keep up the good work, my dude.
Nice pics!
Welcome and nice images. Did you use your phone (even though it was 'a little messed up?' If so, what is your setup?
Sorry you didn't have a major find ... and a 69-S doubled die cent would be MAJOR find.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
@Ocean....Welcome aboard.... As mentioned above, it is not a doubled die, rather it is machine doubling. Great pictures though... Good luck in your searches...Cheers, RickO
Thanks to everyone for your generous feedback. A few things, I actually know about machine doubling and I toss hundreds of coins back into the pile because of it. Clearly, this is the Poster Coin for machine doubling.
I think, given the legendary status of the 1969s coin, which has a population of I think One? (I could be wrong) and the sheer magnitude of the doubling - which I've not seen on any other coin in my hand - I was in shock. It just didn't occur to me that it could be MD.
I did not use my phone for the pics. I used the microscope - which doesn't zoom out enough to capture the whole coin.
I will say this, that there is no precedent for unicorns and somewhere, somebody does possess the 1969. So there's that. I don't chase unicorns. I just look at coins.
And, finally, I am not a "dude" lol, so I'll nip that in the bud.
The 1969-S is not unique. There are perhaps 2 dozen or so known. It's legendary status comes from the confiscation and subsequent melting of a few examples in the early 70s by the Secret Service during an investigation into counterfeiting.
Your coin should not even remotely confuse you with the real variety. It bears little in common.
Remember: When you are looking for a variety, it must bear identical doubling for it to be said variety. Every coin is struck from a die and that die will produce the exact same results until the error is discovered and the die is removed from service.
Machine doubling, especially from 1969 and 1970 is extremely common
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Keep saying it: Flat and Shelflike Flat and Shelflike Flat and Shelflike.
One little tidbit: The 69-S DDO was produced and then the "S" Mintmark was applied to the die by hand.
It looks like the mintmark on your coin has a little doubling to it. On the Big DDO, the Mintmark is NOT doubled, because it was applied after the fact.
Stick around, study, and above all have fun!
Pete
I have a special jar for coins like this.
Hi and Welcome To School! I say school because you'll be taught in many areas. Such as, in ethics, manners and in business. I don't have to tell you that you had just learned something already, right? People here on our Forum are very knowledgeable in a vast amount of coins. Remember, to post often, ask any questions (As you just did) and the most important thing. To have FUN! Nice photos dude. I'm pumped that your into varieties. I too am more focused on the variety/error coins than anything in this beautiful "Hobby Of Kings." Man-n-n! For a brief moment, You got me very excited for you! What it might have been to find this rarity for your very first variety. Oh well, like other posts mentioned, don't be discouraged. Keep on hunting. Who knows, with your keen eye and sharp picture taking, you might come across the REAL 1969s Double die? Good Luck and once again, Welcome To Our Forum!-joey
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Well, it did remotely confuse me. I'll come back to the forum when I work out all those pesky "shoulds." Thanks for your comment.
Welcome to the forum, your photos are outstanding.
The time honored special jar.
Turn back the clock to 1973...I wonder what kind of reception I would've received here posting the same thing except my coin WAS the real McCoy?
@gonzer On two occasions back in the old days, I found a rather valuable old coin at a flea market (valued at over $1000 each time). On both occasions, myriad dealers told me it was a fake item. Several of those dealers offered to buy each from me at a fraction of the market value, to save me from "the embarrassment". Both were later sold for good money.
That's how it worked back before the internet.
Now you get "the embarrassment" in real time.
No need to go back to 1973, and no need to speculate. Look at the actual reception that was actually received when the 1919 10c doubled die was posted here.
For the 1919 DDO discovery, there was a few days of speculation, but things settled into the "It's Good!" camp pretty quickly.
It really wasnt a dig at you. And there should be no embarrassment here, just a lesson learned. The coin you posted bears no resemblance to the big ddo, and all you really have to do is compare the two using the date. Yours doesnt even have machine doubling, and that would be a dead giveaway.
Your pictures are good, and that is a positive! We look forward to your future contributions
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
nope, but keep looking
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