Miscut. Explain this to me.

gurban12

This is across two orders. I request no quals ever. However, I’ve received holdered MCs. Within the same exact order I received back a raw N8:Miscut and also multiple holdered graded MC’s. Why when I designate no quals do i get back holdered cards?

JoeBanzai

Good question. In order to give a good answer, what were the cards, or at least what was their value?

Did you get charged?

Scans would be nice!

gurban12

Yes got charged for each. Cards are not question. So not getting scans.

Submit is no quals.

What gets returned is N8 on one card and also grade (MC) on another. Same submit where no quals is designated.

DBesse27

Even though you put no quals, sometimes you get them anyway. For instance, My understanding is that you’ll always get the MK if your card has writing on it, regardless of whether you asked for no quals.

gurban12

Sooo... same submit. No quals selected for all. One card gets M8, returned unholdered. Another gets a grade with MC and holdered.

maddux69

MC and MK are the two qualifiers that can't be overlooked regardless of having no qualifiers checked on the submission form. You can tell if a card is off center or not, but it can be more difficult to tell if a card has a diamond cut aka miscut as deemed by PSA.

gurban12

Doesn’t explain why i get Miscut returned for one card and grade with MC for another on same submission with no quals selected. Next.

gurban12

Ok. So the two cards are 52 Bowman Doby and 54 Topps Banks. Same submission. No quals. One comes back N8 unholdered. The other holdered with grade and NC designation.

So I ask again. WTF?

PaulMaul

@gurban12 said:
Doesn’t explain why i get Miscut returned for one card and grade with MC for another on same submission with no quals selected. Next.

The MC qualifier does not mean the same thing as N8 miscut. The N8 refers to the card being unusually cut, like a wavy cut. The MC qualifier refers to a card so OC that a portion of the adjacent card is showing. They are two completely different designations. One is holdered and the other is not.

1951WheatiesPremium

@gurban12 said:
Doesn’t explain why i get Miscut returned for one card and grade with MC for another on same submission with no quals selected. Next.

I can tell you are frustrated (and can empathize) but you’ve already been given the answer:

1 - I also always request no qualifiers.

2 - MK and MC will be given to a card anyway, if they apply. I have had 2 MC items over the years, one MC returned was slabbed to me other not. I have also had 2 MK’s over the years. Again, always request no qualifiers.

3 - MC can end up in a holder and can also be returned ungraded - this is often at the discretion of a grader. Miscut can cover more than one type of ‘problem’ with how the card was cut and even within the same sub, the grader may choose to put one with a qual and the next ungraded because of the reason of the miscut qualifier being assigned.

Also - and you may not want to hear this especially if you were charged - but people have mentioned resining cards that were id’d as miscut but the pass the second time around.

A while back, I subbed a ‘62 Topps Joe Torre that got that treatment; the card has a funky cut and a little tilt which creates a bit of an optical illusion yet measures out fine when laid over other ‘good’ ‘62’s...

gurban12

That’s a really thoughtful response. Thank you. So for resale which is considered better? I’m selling all my cards. 51 and 52 Bowman Mantles included. (Neither one has quals).

1951WheatiesPremium

So this card is miscut...

...as is this one...

...and this is the Torre I mentioned earlier.

1951WheatiesPremium

Only other thing I can offer is that be sure to check the front and back against other examples and if you still feel like it’s a good card, give it another shot.

gurban12

They were not resubmissions from previous owners as you may have suggested. These are all originally owned by my uncle. Amazing cards. Not great quality. Everything is for sale though. Including the N8 and MC cards. Lol.

1951WheatiesPremium

@gurban12 said:
That’s a really thoughtful response. Thank you. So for resale which is considered better? I’m selling all my cards. 51 and 52 Bowman Mantles included. (Neither one has quals).

Of course; grading is objective and subjective so the result can be tough to understand sometimes and then just when you think you have it down you can still get tossed for a loop!

Sorry to hear you’re selling but I’ve been salivating all over your ‘51 for a couple of weeks now. Really nice looking card. So, you’ll have to dry it well before you ship.

Good luck with your sale...

gurban12

I’ll be adding 200-ish cards to the “for sale” post soon. All graded. Mostly low grade but a lot of cool cards. Bowman and Topps. Some great berk ross too. BR 51 and 52 have some higher grades like the “7” Mays I posted in card of the day.

1951WheatiesPremium

@gurban12 said:
They were not resubmissions from previous owners as you may have suggested. These are all originally owned by my uncle. Amazing cards. Not great quality. Everything is for sale though. Including the N8 and MC cards. Lol.

Just poorly worded by me.

I just meant other people on these forums have been in your shoes before; have a good card get an undeserved grade. They then send the same card back and get a more desirable result. I’ve never personally re subbed a card; less about principle and more about not having the money to play.

Most collectors appreciate a heads up if a card has been given such a designation from a grading company but it obviously isnt helping the value of the card; on these boards or eBay reputation will matter to many/most, though not all. Just like real life.

Keep it in mind...

gurban12

Thanks for advice. I’m a good guy (by my own accord). Trying to contribute here also. I do intend to sell my collection though. I have some nice Wheaties also.

gurban12

Those are clearly HC by my uncle so many years ago. They are HC cards. I think trimming today since they are HC cards is still acceptable. Prior to submitting to PSA. Still hand cut. Agree?

jfkheat

There are different types of mis-cut cards. Some are off centered so bad that there is no border or part of the next card showing. PSA will usually slab these with the MC designation. Another type of mis-cut card is one that is "diamond" cut so that the card will not fit into the slab. These are the N8 ones.

gurban12

All my cards will fit properly In a slab. If I posted the doby Miscut I think you would say wtf.

PaulMaul

@jfkheat said:
There are different types of mis-cut cards. Some are off centered so bad that there is no border or part of the next card showing. PSA will usually slab these with the MC designation. Another type of mis-cut card is one that is "diamond" cut so that the card will not fit into the slab. These are the N8 ones.

It is a little more general than that. N8 can refer to a whole range of “funny cuts,” some of which do fit in the holder. As an example, this card was originally N8 due to the “flare cut” of the top right corner (due to being on the right edge of the uncut sheet). It is pretty minor and was graded upon resubmission. Like most grading issues, it is a bit subjective.

jfkheat

@PaulMaul said:

@jfkheat said:
There are different types of mis-cut cards. Some are off centered so bad that there is no border or part of the next card showing. PSA will usually slab these with the MC designation. Another type of mis-cut card is one that is "diamond" cut so that the card will not fit into the slab. These are the N8 ones.

It is a little more general than that. N8 can refer to a whole range of “funny cuts,” some of which do fit in the holder. As an example, this card was originally N8 due to the “flare cut” of the top right corner (due to being on the right edge of the uncut sheet). It is pretty minor and was graded upon resubmission. Like most grading issues, it is a bit subjective.

I agree but I was just trying to explain why the OP had one MC card slabbed and the other was not.

1951WheatiesPremium

@gurban12 said:
Thanks for advice. I’m a good guy (by my own accord). Trying to contribute here also. I do intend to sell my collection though. I have some nice Wheaties also.

Those ‘52 Wheaties are nice however they won’t earn a numeric grade without the blue border.

JoeBanzai

@gurban12 said:
All my cards will fit properly In a slab. If I posted the doby Miscut I think you would say wtf.

I have had cards come back unholdered and rejected as "mis-cut" sent them right back in and they graded nicely (6-8 with no qualifiers) the second time around. I asked some similar questions and didn't get any great answers.

Another possible explanation is that different graders are probably looking at your cards and making decisions. You might think that at the "QA check" someone would see the discrepancies and fix it.

You have some very nice cards! Good luck with sales and grading!

ReggieCleveland

I got N8 on a card because the damage to the edge caused an uneven plane. It was a crossover and, at first, I was pretty p!ssed off because it obviously wasn't a factory error, it was damage and I was looking for a PSA 1. It seemed to me that they just didn't want to have it in a PSA slab and used N8 to get out of it. But then I realized that at least they gave me the N8 and they didn't charge me for it, they could have just said no or whatever and pocketed the fees. I have to give them credit for that.

Arthur

Piggs

You want disappointment with unholdered miscuts? I've had a few over the years. Money just flew out the window when these babies came back.

Piggs

......and let's not forget MINSIZERQ. I have a couple nice ones of those too.