You'll have to excuse the two posts above. I spent the entire day escorting my elderly mother to the doctor. It was a rather long day to say the least. I'm on nothing but bread and water.
@stevek said:
When i get the time, i'll have to read about what happened in that video...what caused it to escalate like that?
The teams had been throwing at each other earlier in the game, including Koufax throwing over the head of Willie Mays.
They got a warning but the Dodgers weren't quite done. Roseboro buzzed Marichal's head with one of his throws back to Koufax. Marichal says Roseboro actually hit him with the throw. Words were exchanged and you know the rest.
Wow, hard to believe a gentleman such as Koufax got involved in the altercation.
I'll have to see if the entire game is on the internet. Might be fun to watch, especially seeing three Hall of Famers involved in it.
Some of the Dodgers were mad at Koufax. Sandy didn't like to hit guys. Drysdale on the other hand didn't mind at all.
Roseboro threw the ball back to the pitcher and either hit Marichal 's ear or came very close to it. Marichal then clobbered Roseboro.
Koufax was trying to separate the players who were fighting.
Yea, Drysdale would throw at batters just for the fun of it. LOL
Saw an interview with Bob Gibson, he said the inside of the plate belonged to him and sometimes the batters would "hit themselves" if they didn't understand that fact.
He actually said "hit themselves" it was hilarious.
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Garrett now accuses Rudolph of racial slur. No, I wasn't there, but I'd bet my 401k there was NO racial anything. so very, very typical, try to hide behind racial crap.
I have seen, put up with and endured a ton of this crap when I worked in the Federal Government...it's their "go to "Linus blanket". Can't be man enough to acknowledge what he did, so, he decides to play the mercy me card and go for the racial slur stuff.
i personally would stick Garrett in a room and require him to be fixated on a television every time the Bears get the ball for the next 6 games. on the punishment hierarchy, it's slightly beneath the electric chair
I would think other players would have mentioned the use of racial slurs if they heard anything unless it was when Garret and Rudolph were engaged, either way I hope he isn’t lying to help his case. He got a raw deal and Rudolph got off pretty much free but that is a terrible thing to accuse someone of if it’s not true
Look, the NFL should just make Garrett stare at a picture of Rosie O' Donnell without makeup for two hours. I guarantee you he'll be a changed man. Not only will he change, he'll never have another flag thrown on him again period.
this was circulating in the Cleveland area the day after the game, you guys are only hearing it now. why would you doubt that it happened?? have you seen the video of Rudolph calling Larry Ogunjobi a "bitch" after Ogunjobi pushed him to the ground?? is it that much of a stretch to believe Rudolph said what Garrett has accused him of saying??
you guys need to wise up and realize that Mason Rudolph isn't a boy scout any more than Myles Garrett is the devil incarnate.
@doubledragon said:
Look, the NFL should just make Garrett stare at a picture of Rosie O' Donnell without makeup for two hours. I guarantee you he'll be a changed man. Not only will he change, he'll never have another flag thrown on him again period.
@keets said: Garrett now accuses Rudolph of racial slur
this was circulating in the Cleveland area the day after the game, you guys are only hearing it now. why would you doubt that it happened?? have you seen the video of Rudolph calling Larry Ogunjobi a "bitch" after Ogunjobi pushed him to the ground?? is it that much of a stretch to believe Rudolph said what Garrett has accused him of saying??
you guys need to wise up and realize that Mason Rudolph isn't a boy scout any more than Myles Garrett is the devil incarnate.
LOL nobody is calling Rudolph a innocent guy here, it wouldn’t shock me one way or another. If he did or didn’t it wouldn’t surprise me, basically it’s his word against the other, did the Cleveland papers say anything about anyone backing up his story? A write up stated that it was never mentioned initially
Of course there's no evidence...he's trying to lessen the blow to his backside by the Comish.
Once upon a time in the Federal Government I had several areas of responsibility as a Program Analyst to ensure all directives and regulations were being adhered to. Well...each and every time I had to review an area that had a black Supervisor or Manager, and my report showed a discrepancy, "a" discrepancy where I could have written a lot more, I had to explain why I found the discrepancy. As tactful as I might have been, it always ended up with "he's racist"...to make things just a bit worse, my manager was a black female. I was never so happy in my life as when I scraped that sticker off my windshield and handed over my badge.
When the OJ verdict came in...we were all huddled around a small tv...to a man, cheers from the black side, shocked silence from the white side. Don't get me wrong, had a lot of black friends, but far too many were muck rakers, and always wanted to stir the pot and turn things into what they weren't.
I am overjoyed to be retired with a very nice pension and light years away from all that insanity!!!
@doubledragon said:
Look, the NFL should just make Garrett stare at a picture of Rosie O' Donnell without makeup for two hours. I guarantee you he'll be a changed man. Not only will he change, he'll never have another flag thrown on him again period.
That fits the definition of cruel and unusual punishment.
@keets said: Garrett now accuses Rudolph of racial slur
this was circulating in the Cleveland area the day after the game, you guys are only hearing it now. why would you doubt that it happened?? have you seen the video of Rudolph calling Larry Ogunjobi a "bitch" after Ogunjobi pushed him to the ground?? is it that much of a stretch to believe Rudolph said what Garrett has accused him of saying??
Why doubt that it happened? Because literally no one mentioned it after the game? Because Garrett's teammates, including those on the field during the incident, knew nothing about it until asked? Because NFL quarterbacks wear microphones but there's no audio of it happening? Because Garrett himself made no mention of it until the hearing?
And, c'mon, there's a huge difference between calling somebody a female dog and tossing around racial slurs.
@keets said: Garrett now accuses Rudolph of racial slur
this was circulating in the Cleveland area the day after the game, you guys are only hearing it now. why would you doubt that it happened?? have you seen the video of Rudolph calling Larry Ogunjobi a "bitch" after Ogunjobi pushed him to the ground?? is it that much of a stretch to believe Rudolph said what Garrett has accused him of saying??
Why doubt that it happened? Because literally no one mentioned it after the game? Because Garrett's teammates, including those on the field during the incident, knew nothing about it until asked? Because NFL quarterbacks wear microphones but there's no audio of it happening? Because Garrett himself made no mention of it until the hearing?
And, c'mon, there's a huge difference between calling somebody a female dog and tossing around racial slurs.
Plus.....as bad as that would be (if he did say it) he still does not have the right to rip his helmet off and beat him with it.
Wasn't Rudolph trying to pull his helmet off first?
As far as the microphone thing goes and especially w/ super bowl halftimes and the NFL delays, we know they woulda killed those mics instantly.
Not defending either man, but the lack of any audio amidst a brawl in the NFL isn't a smoking gun, imo.
To me, the weirdest thing to this date is what was Rudolph thinking trying to pull Garretts helmet off in the first place. Just not something you see quite a bit of, let alone from the quarterback.
Then Rudolph goes after him when his helmet is yanked off. Then gets hit. Then proceeds to get knocked down again. Twice.
And this is all after getting sacked 3 times in a row previously.
Whether he said anything racial or not, he pretty much started this entire conflict! And did so many idiotic things during and immediately afterwards that it’ll be hard to respect this guy for a very long time after this.
He’s the reason his team mates had to defend him. The reason his team got fined. The reason some of his team mates got suspended. And...he didnt get jack squat and plays the victim?
Again, not excusing Miles AT ALL. Equal idiots if you ask me. Had it not even started, though?
You don’t think it was the baby who got sacked for the third time in a row and who was seconds away from losing another big game?
And “refusing to get up”? Whether he was or not, does not give Rudolph the right to start jacking the guys helmet off while he was down.
Rudolph was acting like a baby. Then tried to play the squeaky-clean, honorable and then the most despicable “victim” card.
Which is just as disgusting as the race card, imo.
Rudolph’s subsequent post game “coached” interview where he continued to play these cards and then call the guy a “coward” is laughable and pretty d@mn awkward too.
You don’t think it was the baby who got sacked for the third time in a row and who was seconds away from losing another big game?
And “refusing to get up”? Whether he was or not, does not give Rudolph the right to start jacking the guys helmet off while he was down.
Rudolph was acting like a baby. Then tried to play the squeaky-clean, honorable and then the most despicable “victim” card.
Which is just as disgusting as the race card, imo.
Rudolph’s subsequent post game “coached” interview where he continued to play these cards and then call the guy a “coward” is laughable and pretty d@mn awkward too.
You don’t think it was the baby who got sacked for the third time in a row and who was seconds away from losing another big game?
And “refusing to get up”? Whether he was or not, does not give Rudolph the right to start jacking the guys helmet off while he was down.
The takedown was 3 full seconds after the throw. Waaaaaaay late.
No, Rudolph did not have the right to go for Garrett's helmet. No question. But the question was who started it and that's Garrett. Rudolph escalated but Garrett started.
You don’t think it was the baby who got sacked for the third time in a row and who was seconds away from losing another big game?
And “refusing to get up”? Whether he was or not, does not give Rudolph the right to start jacking the guys helmet off while he was down.
Rudolph was acting like a baby. Then tried to play the squeaky-clean, honorable and then the most despicable “victim” card.
Which is just as disgusting as the race card, imo.
Rudolph’s subsequent post game “coached” interview where he continued to play these cards and then call the guy a “coward” is laughable and pretty d@mn awkward too.
You don’t think it was the baby who got sacked for the third time in a row and who was seconds away from losing another big game?
And “refusing to get up”? Whether he was or not, does not give Rudolph the right to start jacking the guys helmet off while he was down.
The takedown was 3 full seconds after the throw. Waaaaaaay late.
No, Rudolph did not have the right to go for Garrett's helmet. No question. But the question was who started it and that's Garrett. Rudolph escalated but Garrett started.
Even if it was remotely a late hit. Rudolph started it. Flags get thrown and player gets penalized, right?
Rudolph decided to take the “late hit” into his own hands. Literally.
The right thing to do woulda been to shake it off, take the penalty and move the chains, right? right.
you need to let that lie go already. if the hit was late why didn't that ref standing 10 seconds away throw his flag?? the answer is clear, it was a legal hit.
So they fine Rudolph but no suspension, kind of weird. It’s a big chunk of change considering his contract but it doesn’t hurt his overall since he doesn’t lose game credit ect.. I stand by saying he should have gotten a game
@keets said: The takedown was 3 full seconds after the throw
you need to let that lie go already. if the hit was late why didn't that ref standing 10 seconds away throw his flag?? the answer is clear, it was a legal hit.
Oh, that's right, NFL referees have never, ever missed a penalty in the history of the league. Thanks for reminding me.
@keets said: The takedown was 3 full seconds after the throw
you need to let that lie go already. if the hit was late why didn't that ref standing 10 seconds away throw his flag?? the answer is clear, it was a legal hit.
Oh, that's right, NFL referees have never, ever missed a penalty in the history of the league. Thanks for reminding me.
Maybe it was just business as usual after the two previous sacks and didn’t seem like anything outta the norm?
They were like “theres Rudolph on the ground. Again.”.
Can you get flagged for intentionally grounding yourself?
Maybe he was ripping Garret’s helmet off to try and sneak on to the Browns?
thanks, Perk. that's because Coach had a front row seat and probably the trust and "pulse" of his Team. I have had harsh words in the past for his play calling but in the end I think an NFL HC has to stand with his Team and Town.
I just had a call from my closest friend, he's a Steeler fan. we'll meet for breakfast around 11:30 in the morning and then go to his place to watch the game. even though we cheer for different Teams we tend to agree on most of what takes place on the screen. he was the first to tell me of the "racial slur" uttered(supposedly) by Mason Rudolph and also the first to say he thought that Tomlin should bench the guy for hurting the Team. we both figure that Mason Rudolph is the better choice for QB, but right now it's probably best if he watches, the last two games for him have been really, really bad, almost as though the game speeded up on him and he needs a breather.
I assume that there has already been warning messages to each Team from the NFL office and that the Officials will be strictly enforcing everything tomorrow --- as they should. I just want a good, clean game where we can watch what these athletes do, not a replay of that last 15 seconds that lasts four quarters.
I doubt you will see any nonsense, they know all eyes are on them and they don’t want to get hit with the fines that would probably be over the top since it’s under such a microscope. Should be a good game for Cleveland
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You'll have to excuse the two posts above. I spent the entire day escorting my elderly mother to the doctor. It was a rather long day to say the least. I'm on nothing but bread and water.
Saw an interview with Bob Gibson, he said the inside of the plate belonged to him and sometimes the batters would "hit themselves" if they didn't understand that fact.
He actually said "hit themselves" it was hilarious.
Garrett now accuses Rudolph of racial slur. No, I wasn't there, but I'd bet my 401k there was NO racial anything. so very, very typical, try to hide behind racial crap.
I have seen, put up with and endured a ton of this crap when I worked in the Federal Government...it's their "go to "Linus blanket". Can't be man enough to acknowledge what he did, so, he decides to play the mercy me card and go for the racial slur stuff.
BAN HIM
these polls need an 'other' option
i personally would stick Garrett in a room and require him to be fixated on a television every time the Bears get the ball for the next 6 games. on the punishment hierarchy, it's slightly beneath the electric chair
I would think other players would have mentioned the use of racial slurs if they heard anything unless it was when Garret and Rudolph were engaged, either way I hope he isn’t lying to help his case. He got a raw deal and Rudolph got off pretty much free but that is a terrible thing to accuse someone of if it’s not true
Look, the NFL should just make Garrett stare at a picture of Rosie O' Donnell without makeup for two hours. I guarantee you he'll be a changed man. Not only will he change, he'll never have another flag thrown on him again period.
Garrett now accuses Rudolph of racial slur
this was circulating in the Cleveland area the day after the game, you guys are only hearing it now. why would you doubt that it happened?? have you seen the video of Rudolph calling Larry Ogunjobi a "bitch" after Ogunjobi pushed him to the ground?? is it that much of a stretch to believe Rudolph said what Garrett has accused him of saying??
you guys need to wise up and realize that Mason Rudolph isn't a boy scout any more than Myles Garrett is the devil incarnate.
Horrifying 😱
LOL nobody is calling Rudolph a innocent guy here, it wouldn’t shock me one way or another. If he did or didn’t it wouldn’t surprise me, basically it’s his word against the other, did the Cleveland papers say anything about anyone backing up his story? A write up stated that it was never mentioned initially
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-finds-no-evidence-to-support-myles-garretts-appeals-claim-that-mason-rudolph-used-racial-slur/
Of course there's no evidence...he's trying to lessen the blow to his backside by the Comish.
Once upon a time in the Federal Government I had several areas of responsibility as a Program Analyst to ensure all directives and regulations were being adhered to. Well...each and every time I had to review an area that had a black Supervisor or Manager, and my report showed a discrepancy, "a" discrepancy where I could have written a lot more, I had to explain why I found the discrepancy. As tactful as I might have been, it always ended up with "he's racist"...to make things just a bit worse, my manager was a black female. I was never so happy in my life as when I scraped that sticker off my windshield and handed over my badge.
When the OJ verdict came in...we were all huddled around a small tv...to a man, cheers from the black side, shocked silence from the white side. Don't get me wrong, had a lot of black friends, but far too many were muck rakers, and always wanted to stir the pot and turn things into what they weren't.
I am overjoyed to be retired with a very nice pension and light years away from all that insanity!!!
That fits the definition of cruel and unusual punishment.
Why doubt that it happened? Because literally no one mentioned it after the game? Because Garrett's teammates, including those on the field during the incident, knew nothing about it until asked? Because NFL quarterbacks wear microphones but there's no audio of it happening? Because Garrett himself made no mention of it until the hearing?
And, c'mon, there's a huge difference between calling somebody a female dog and tossing around racial slurs.
Plus.....as bad as that would be (if he did say it) he still does not have the right to rip his helmet off and beat him with it.
Well, yeah, that too
Wasn't Rudolph trying to pull his helmet off first?
As far as the microphone thing goes and especially w/ super bowl halftimes and the NFL delays, we know they woulda killed those mics instantly.
Not defending either man, but the lack of any audio amidst a brawl in the NFL isn't a smoking gun, imo.
To me, the weirdest thing to this date is what was Rudolph thinking trying to pull Garretts helmet off in the first place. Just not something you see quite a bit of, let alone from the quarterback.
Then Rudolph goes after him when his helmet is yanked off. Then gets hit. Then proceeds to get knocked down again. Twice.
And this is all after getting sacked 3 times in a row previously.
Whether he said anything racial or not, he pretty much started this entire conflict! And did so many idiotic things during and immediately afterwards that it’ll be hard to respect this guy for a very long time after this.
He’s the reason his team mates had to defend him. The reason his team got fined. The reason some of his team mates got suspended. And...he didnt get jack squat and plays the victim?
Again, not excusing Miles AT ALL. Equal idiots if you ask me. Had it not even started, though?
Garrett started it with his late takedown (well after the throw) and refusing to get up.
Late takedown was very questionable.
You don’t think it was the baby who got sacked for the third time in a row and who was seconds away from losing another big game?
And “refusing to get up”? Whether he was or not, does not give Rudolph the right to start jacking the guys helmet off while he was down.
Rudolph was acting like a baby. Then tried to play the squeaky-clean, honorable and then the most despicable “victim” card.
Which is just as disgusting as the race card, imo.
Rudolph’s subsequent post game “coached” interview where he continued to play these cards and then call the guy a “coward” is laughable and pretty d@mn awkward too.
I was looking for cornbread dressing online, and I read that Mason Rudolph is expected to receive a $50,000 fine.
The takedown was 3 full seconds after the throw. Waaaaaaay late.
No, Rudolph did not have the right to go for Garrett's helmet. No question. But the question was who started it and that's Garrett. Rudolph escalated but Garrett started.
Even if it was remotely a late hit. Rudolph started it. Flags get thrown and player gets penalized, right?
Rudolph decided to take the “late hit” into his own hands. Literally.
The right thing to do woulda been to shake it off, take the penalty and move the chains, right? right.
The takedown was 3 full seconds after the throw
you need to let that lie go already. if the hit was late why didn't that ref standing 10 seconds away throw his flag?? the answer is clear, it was a legal hit.
So they fine Rudolph but no suspension, kind of weird. It’s a big chunk of change considering his contract but it doesn’t hurt his overall since he doesn’t lose game credit ect.. I stand by saying he should have gotten a game
Funny how Rudolph's fine was larger than the guy that threw punches and attempted kicks to the head of a player that was on the ground. Wonder why?
It's because he started it.
just any and all street cred he MAY have had. 😉
Oh, that's right, NFL referees have never, ever missed a penalty in the history of the league. Thanks for reminding me.
we don't surrender easy in Cleveland!!!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1198648029697458177
Now I like that!
Maybe it was just business as usual after the two previous sacks and didn’t seem like anything outta the norm?
They were like “theres Rudolph on the ground. Again.”.
Can you get flagged for intentionally grounding yourself?
Maybe he was ripping Garret’s helmet off to try and sneak on to the Browns?
Cant beat’em, join’em.
@keets figured you would appreciate this maybe. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/browns-coach-freddie-kitchens-wears-a-pittsburgh-started-it-shirt-ahead-of-steelers-rematch/
thanks, Perk. that's because Coach had a front row seat and probably the trust and "pulse" of his Team. I have had harsh words in the past for his play calling but in the end I think an NFL HC has to stand with his Team and Town.
I just had a call from my closest friend, he's a Steeler fan. we'll meet for breakfast around 11:30 in the morning and then go to his place to watch the game. even though we cheer for different Teams we tend to agree on most of what takes place on the screen. he was the first to tell me of the "racial slur" uttered(supposedly) by Mason Rudolph and also the first to say he thought that Tomlin should bench the guy for hurting the Team. we both figure that Mason Rudolph is the better choice for QB, but right now it's probably best if he watches, the last two games for him have been really, really bad, almost as though the game speeded up on him and he needs a breather.
I assume that there has already been warning messages to each Team from the NFL office and that the Officials will be strictly enforcing everything tomorrow --- as they should. I just want a good, clean game where we can watch what these athletes do, not a replay of that last 15 seconds that lasts four quarters.
I doubt you will see any nonsense, they know all eyes are on them and they don’t want to get hit with the fines that would probably be over the top since it’s under such a microscope. Should be a good game for Cleveland