Hoard of Colonial-Era Silver Found
On my dining room table
Monumental sterling silver tankard
London, 1775, John Carter II*
8.25" tall, 5" wide at base
Capacity/Volume 1.6 quarts (.4 gallon)
Weight 43.2 troy ounces (approximately 3 pounds)
John Carter II was a renowned silversmith whose customers included George Washington and Declaration of Independence signatory Arthur Middleton.
This piece is one of the earliest examples I can find of the so-called "coopered" style mug. Unadorned with clean geometric lines reminiscent of a keg or barrel, the coopered style was a radical departure from the more undulating, Rococo style that preceded it.
Shown here alongside the typical tankard of the time by London silversmith Jacob Marsh (dated 1770). Contemporaries of each other, and separated by 5 years at most, you can see how revolutionary the Carter piece was:
The coopered Carter tankard boasts a weight nearly 50% greater than the Marsh tankard. Its walls and bottom are thick, the unadorned handle barely hollow. If my math is correct, the Carter tankard contains 223 shillings worth of sterling silver. It's "face value" alone, at more than £11, would have represented a year's wages for a common worker of the time.
The hallmarks on the Carter mug show the place it was made (London), the purity of the metal (Sterling 92.5%), the date it was made (1775), and the maker's mark (John Carter II). There were a couple of other silversmiths making pieces during the same date and time whose initials and marks were quite similar, hence the asterisk above. I'm actually leaning toward a smith named James Cramer, but people with knowledge much greater than mine believe it to be Carter.
The engraved top:
Here's an example of another tankard by Carter from the British Royal collection from about 30 years later. Check out the coins of the era adorning it!
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What a beautiful functional piece! It's well made .... calling on @asheland to see it
The really are Beautiful pieces
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Thanks for tagging me! Indeed that’s a terrific piece, one i’d be proud to own, use and display!
Congratulations Weiss on a terrific find!
I’ll bet @ricko will like it...
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That is an amazing tankard....and in the style I like.... a beautiful piece of silver work....a real hefty piece. Thanks for showing us....The other tankard with the coin is also nice...a bit more fancy than I would prefer - that being said, I would certainly enjoy a brew from it... Cheers, RickO
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that's awesome I like
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Lovely collection!
I like the design of the front right.
Which one is the Brasher?
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Thanks! The Brasher is front and center.
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Impressive collection indeed!
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Wow amazing. How much are those worth?
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Came here looking for new Silver Eagle release news. None found. What's up with that? 😉
Outstanding silversmithing!
Thanks.
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These are cool!
It's all about what the people want...
As with coins, they are worth what someone is willing to pay. These pieces run from about $500 to more than 30x that much.
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Good tastes in beer and tankards says me.
Those are gorgeous!!!
Some members would love em for Kool-Aid
Awesome!
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Great pieces! Your NewP has an incredibly modern looking design. Really interesting.
Wow.........
They are just silver cups!!!
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I love that old silver...I have been looking at some recently and to me much of it seems under-priced given the age and the workmanship...
The "coopered" piece is exceptionally nice. It has artistic significance in that it looks like it belongs in a later era. I was at the Art Institute of Chicago this past August and saw a silver set that I initially though would date from the Art Deco period of the late 1920's and early 1930's ... wrong ... it was from 1869!
Agreed. A smaller piece from my collection (lower left) is even more "out there" than this new addition. It's by London silversmith James Phipps. The latest piece from my collection, made in 1793. But it was until now the best and earliest example of the coopered style I could find. And it was so far beyond anything else I could find. It's Deco 125 years before there was such a thing:
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Those are super cool to look at!
Very cool collection
Brilliant both in the collection's radiance and the artistry being so far ahead of its time. Remarkable. Thank you for posting!
very cool!
Weiss, great collection! Thanks for sharing with us.
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Thanks again, everyone. As a history buff, a lifelong coin collector, a precious metals fanatic, and a home brewer, the pursuit of these solid silver mugs and tankards seemed obvious. They are literally made from coins. At one point, the crown had to mandate silversmiths use a higher purity of silver, "Britannia" at 95.8% pure vs. Sterling's 92.5% in part just to keep the money supply from suffering. At the risk of putting too fine a point on it, these pieces are dated, have the designer's initials, and essentially a privy mark or assayer's mark just like the major coins of the era had.
But it took years of wishing and eventually achieving a bit of financial stability before I felt I could pull the trigger on the first one. From there it was narrowing the scope. So that I don't just hoard, I apply a box of 20 approach: I'm trying to avoid duplicate forms, and am looking to pieces with an iconic aesthetic or story. And my collection (with the exception of the smaller Phipps piece above) is all pre-1776. Coins, precious metals, history, and beer all in one almost-a-coin, functional, collectible work of art.
And if you didn't see the "imbibe" thread from last night, that sucker holds nearly 5 12-ounce bottles of beer. Hence the blurry "after" photo
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Would Coors destroy it?
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If you're interested, there are some pretty amazing panoramic images of the London Silver Vaults (from whence this latest mug came) on Google. You can pan and zoom on 'em, too:
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x48761b4b75144a91:0x6a203e6c0c5080de!3m1!7e115!4shttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipMs32kB9rtc0iaf0sP5Z7CpSK3TDLDkukKOqrQ=w132-h176-k-no!5slondon silver vaults - Google Search!15sCAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipOkwkRRJ7hFmqtjbjdR-A-JhyhNkJ1pq429gtMW&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi9xbX25u_lAhVRRKwKHUoNDAcQoiowG3oECAoQBg
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Those are really cool! thanks for sharing
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Wow that room is worth a fortune
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Can we see the hallmarks on the Brasher?
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A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
What, this old thing?
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Yea, that’s it. Thanks
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A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.