Metal Porn Friday...with something kinda special :)

Weiss

Here's something you don't see every day, and may never see again:

Monumental coopered sterling silver tankard
London, 1775, John Carter II*
8.25" tall, 5" wide at base
Capacity/Volume 1.6 quarts (.4 gallon)
43.2 troy ounces (approximately 3 pounds)

Downtown1974

Holy cow, Weiss!!! Now you can enjoy a nice IPA and tone your biceps all at the same time.
Beautiful piece!

asheland

Weiss, that’s SWEET!

Weiss

Thank you, gentlemen.
This piece is gargantuan. The seller didn't go out of their way to laud its size and showed nothing for comparison. So I knew it was big, but had no idea just how massive it was until it showed up yesterday.

It holds nearly a half-gallon of beer

MsMorrisine

if there is a way to win Oktoberfest, then this is it

Meltdown

Crazy how heavy that tankard is... Very cool.
Here's a quick shot I took a few days ago after picking up another roll.

Downtown1974

@Meltdown great pic! Is that a drawer from an old library card catalog?

Barndog

@Weiss said:
Thank you, gentlemen.
This piece is gargantuan. The seller didn't go out of their way to laud its size and showed nothing for comparison. So I knew it was big, but had no idea just how massive it was until it showed up yesterday.

It holds nearly a half-gallon of beer

LEO: Have you been drinking?

WEISS: I've had just one beer, officer.

Meltdown

@Barndog said:

@Weiss said:
Thank you, gentlemen.
This piece is gargantuan. The seller didn't go out of their way to laud its size and showed nothing for comparison. So I knew it was big, but had no idea just how massive it was until it showed up yesterday.

It holds nearly a half-gallon of beer

LEO: Have you been drinking?

WEISS: I've had just one beer, officer.

WEISS: Also, Do you have any Grey Poupon?

Meltdown

@Downtown1974 said:
@Meltdown great pic! Is that a drawer from an old library card catalog?

It's one of four pull out drawers in my safe...

1630Boston

@Meltdown said:
Crazy how heavy that tankard is... Very cool.
Here's a quick shot I took a few days ago after picking up another roll.

You don't see a $20 roll of halves often do you ?

Meltdown

No. They're pretty scarce I think.

Baley

@Meltdown said:
No. They're pretty scarce I think.

40 coin roll of 1964 Kennedy halves?

Used to have 2 of them.
Opened 1, still have the other..

1630Boston

@Meltdown said:
No. They're pretty scarce I think.

I agree, nice stash

ricko

@Weiss....That is a tankard to be proud of.....Indeed, you should sell me that other tankard I like so much, since now you have the Big Kahuna of all silver tankards... Cheers, RickO

johnny9434

Ive never seen a roll of $20 halfs before either. what time era were they used?

Meltdown

Well, that's a 1964 Kennedy roll so certainly around then. I'm not sure other than that.

renman95

That tankard's a real champ.

carew4me

TANK!ard

ricko

@Weiss ....Nothing but crickets.... Cheers, RickO

LukeMarshall

I got a ten sided French Jeton (Decagon) to go with my two eight sided octogons

@ricko said:
@Weiss ....Nothing but crickets.... Cheers, RickO

That's probably due to the amount of research I've been doing on silver tankards... These things are cool!! I'm with you Ricko, one day

Nice beast tankard Weiss!!
You have to get a barrel style to round out your collection ( no pun intended )

Example - not mine

metalmeister

I need one of those tankards to take to our local beer fests.
Awesome!

Weiss

@LukeMarshall said:

Nice beast tankard Weiss!!
You have to get a barrel style to round out your collection ( no pun intended )

Yep. It's a nice piece. The new "coopered" style is a more subtle version of that barrel mug.
That one's been on the market for at least a couple of years now. Unfortunately as it was made in 1794, it's way outside of my scope of collecting pieces that were created before 1776.

mannie gray

@johnny9434 said:
Ive never seen a roll of $20 halfs before either. what time era were they used?

I have seen them up to 1969-D.
Not later.
I have not seen a $20 roll of c/n coins.
I used to see the $20 rolls quite a bit years ago, usually 1964/64-D.
Started seeing less and less of them after the late 1990s.
I'm confident they may still be hard to find but likely quite a few are lurking in collections/accumulations.

LukeMarshall

@Weiss said:
Yep. It's a nice piece. The new "coopered" style is a more subtle version of that barrel mug.
That one's been on the market for at least a couple of years now. Unfortunately as it was made in 1794, it's way outside of my scope of collecting pieces that were created before 1776.

Okay, I get it... Keeping it colonial.

Interesting, during my research it mentions some of these tankard designs originating in the early 1600's, fascinating the evolution of designs able to be dated through hallmarks.

I didn't get a silver christening cup as a child so I'm thinking a full size tankard from the year of my birth may be a on the bucket list for me.

Congrats again, they are all spectacular

ricko

@Weiss....It would be great to see a full picture of your tankard collection.....You do have some great pieces. Cheers, RickO

Weiss

Thanks, @ricko . If it seems I've been brief in my comments on the PM forum, it's because I felt I was being a bit verbose on the US coin forum and I know the mugs are neither coins nor really PMs.

Since you asked, here's the whole collection to date. You should be able to click on the picture to zoom in.
Top: John Carter (1775), Jacob Marsh (1770)
Middle: Francis Spillsbury (1740), Ephraim Brasher (c. 1770), John Scofield / James Stamp (1775)
Bottom: James Phipps (1793), John Payne (1774)

Not that it really matters, but the combined collections weighs about 150 troy ounces.

ricko

@Weiss.....Thank you very much... Beautiful tankards.... While I especially like the Francis Spillsbury, I would be happy with the James Phipps....(since the date is "...outside of my scope of collecting pieces that were created before 1776."... Cheers, RickO

Weiss

@ricko said:
@Weiss.....Thank you very much... Beautiful tankards.... While I especially like the Francis Spillsbury, I would be happy with the James Phipps....(since the date is "...outside of my scope of collecting pieces that were created before 1776."... Cheers, RickO

Indeed. I referenced the Phipps anomaly in the US Coin forum. The longer version is that after i * just * missed an early coopered piece in 2015 or 2016 by William Holmes (1774), a pretty exhaustive search turned up no other early examples of this style. Everything else that was on the market and came to the market thereafter was late 1780s to as late as 1800 or even later (there were a few exceptions, but they were just not attractive or absurdly overpriced). So I made an exception for Phipps, almost as a placeholder, because its design--even among the coopered style--was so radical and so far ahead of the curve that it looks like something from our time rather than from 200 years ago.

I stumbled upon the most recent acquisition by accident, ironically from the same sellers who had the Holmes piece I missed (and whom I'd asked to contact me if they acquired another early coopered example). My first inclination was to sell the Phipps piece to subsidize the purchase of the Carter II tankard. But now I've grown fond the Phipps piece. Though it is not pre-1776, it is still "of the era". And I think it's a good point of contrast to show just how early the Carter II tankard is, predating Phipps by nearly 20 years.

Here's the Phipps mug, 1793 vs. a similar sized mug by John Payne, 1774:

ricko

@Weiss....Thanks for your reply..... Nice comparison picture.... I thought maybe I would get you to sell the Phipps...Well, not really, but heck, worth a shot... Cheers, RickO

Smudge

@johnny9434 said:
Ive never seen a roll of $20 halfs before either. what time era were they used.

Are those called shotgun rolls?

asheland

I never tire of seeing the Georgian silver!

johnny9434

@Smudge said:

@johnny9434 said:
Ive never seen a roll of $20 halfs before either. what time era were they used.

Are those called shotgun rolls?

ty

Weiss

@asheland said:
I never tire of seeing the Georgian silver!