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1929 Wheat Penny Reverse. Your Thoughts Please!
TeaTime
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Severely broken reverse die caused the raised lines. Common deep scratch near the left wheat stem.
Breaks in straight lines? Seems unlikely.
To leave raised lines on the reverse, there had to be grooves or indentions in the reverse die. I would think it would be less likely someone made those grooves and then continued to strike coins but I guess it would be possible.
There's a lot of wear on the coin. More likely, it was cut and then circulated for a long while.
Scratches, pretty sure die gouges are not going to go through the devices uninterrupted.
Looks really weird to me. If you look at what I have circled, some lines are going over lines and looks like part of wheat going over line. That looks like something maybe on the die?
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Or maybe somebody cut the coin with a knife, pushing the metal on either side of the cut up, and then it wore back down in circulation.
It would be nice to see the whole reverse.
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I was looking at the very same.
Observations:
Very straight.
Look at the upset rim where the two “cuts/gouges” almost meet.
Plus the “cuts/gouges” appear to abruptly end.
If this was a late die state before die destruction then there should be others out there with similarities.
Kind of looks like someone made some deep cuts/gouges then laid solder (or something). Would be interesting to see what’s below the toning on those “lines.” But that would entail further damaging the coin.
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The coin is just a damaged scratched coin.
Those are all post-mint damage. They are severe cuts on the coin and the metal on either side of the blade or knife edge was raised during the damage.
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PMD - cuts as mentioned - but a great reference piece. Most of the good examples of this phenomenon seem to be on large cents.
Definitely a keeper.
There are no die cracks on that reverse.
All scratches
Some things to remember in cases like this:
Breaks in a die (cracks) are raised on a coin, and...Cracks are squiggly! At at some power of magnification, even short cracks that appear to be straight ARE NOT.
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Let's see the obverse and the edge too.
TeaTime, You have the benefit of having this coin in hand. Would like to know if you see a furrow along side of one of the raised lines? The two bisecting UNITED I can see a line in between. The rest I don't see the furrow, even when I blow it up on the Ipad. If I am wrong as Fred and others have pointed out, I want to understand what I am seeing. Thanks in advance for looking.
Not quite sure, but here's the best photo I can provide.
Just to try to help i copied the rev and one thing caught my eye.
See photo:
The impression (line if I may) seems to go through the o, in, "of"
and not on top of the of's impression...with what looks like a arrow etched in
as to point a direction. Its directly under the impression just peeking a bit
I'm confused by what I'm seeing. The raised line that runs over the "C" and through the left wheat stalk is inexplicable by itself, and it is also inconsistent with the other line further to its left that appears to be incuse.
Some of this looks like PMD and some looks like damage to the die.
The two upper lines on the left side have raised metal on both sides of an apparent cut, but some of the other lines only look like raised metal originating from the die, and one of the lines has no raised metal at all.
Weird. The whole thing is improbable as some kind of error. I agree with Fred.
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Cuts and gouges filled-in, toned, and smoothed by time is still my WAG.
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Looking at the magnified pictures, I agree with the PMD/wear conclusions...not a die issue. Cheers, RickO
This one really isn't that hard guys.
Thanks, I was making a joke! All that was needed to answer you question was in the OP; YET someone wanted to see the whole coin including its obverse. Although this type of request is common, it just struck me as very silly.
I truly appreciate everyone's opinion, thank you so much...I agree that it's scratches on the rest of the coin, I mean it's obvious! But I have never quite seen a scratch that has like a design or pattern to it. I agree with @bsshog40 because that's exactly what it looks like to me. I will hold on to it simply because it's unusual and different.
Can you explain what emeraldATV pointed out on the photo?
I cant see his posts - can you?
I can now.....looks like he is back off time out.
Edited to add: All the mystery post we saw him posting are able to be viewed now too.
It's not in the die, they're cuts on the coin. When someone makes a knife cut on a coin, it raises metal at the cut. This raised metal eventually gets worn and covers up the cut. This coin was probably cut when it was much higher grade, and has had a good deal of circulation wear help cover up the cuts. Keep it so you know what this kind of damage looks like and so that you can show someone else, as well.
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Post mint damage is my guess. PCGS "DAMAGED" "Net GD06 FN12 details"
There are two distinct series of lines on the coin. The lines on the bottom of the reverse look to be clearly intentional scratches. The ones at 7-9 oclock seem to rise above the devices in certain places, which would take a great stretch in imagination to view as a scratch. A microscope will still lead to opinion of the viewer, but if you can have the coin 3D scanned it might reveal the true topography of the lines.
As another thought, the lines could have been formed by fusing fine copper wires onto the surface of the coin.
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I know its not revelent to this question but it was being filed and I have nothing else to do.
its simular as the geometric lines that are veiewed.
These are scratches.
It's very interesting. I have no idea about what caused those lines. But...it's really neat. A keeper in my book.
Some of the cuts extend into the rim. Seems like PMD.
What are you talking about - the pattern on Abe's head? Looks like hard contact with a Memorial cent reverse.
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