Do you think this Toned Peace $ will straight grade? AT/NT

Skrill90

I have an opinion on this coin but was curious to see if other people thought if this toned peace $ will straight grade? And if it is AT/NT? What is everyones thoughts?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-1-Peace-Dollar-AU-MS-BU-UNC-Great-Toning/113912040473?hash=item1a85afcc19:g:jhgAAOSwlr5dlk6h

jmski52

I think that the coin is damaged.

LindeDad

Looks fried country style to me.

lcoopie

I find it interesting that the seller has a 100% feedback.

jedm

If it does not come back details damaged, with UNC details, then my guess is MS 60. I'm thinking NT also.

bolivarshagnasty

Color in FRONT of Lady Liberty doesn't look natural to me.

MFeld

My answer is “no”, as the color doesn’t look even remotely natural.

lcoopie

That’s nothing, check another one he’s listed

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/113873330255

jmlanzaf

I think the color is the least of the problems with that coin. What is going on on the reverse near the eagle's leg?

Meltdown

Not a chance. Surfaces look super messed with from those photos.

santinidollar

Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t trust a vividly toned Peace dollar as far as I can throw it.

Catbert

No.

Catbert

Respectfully @Skrill90 , several of your threads ask about ebay auctions. I'm curious, are you looking for board opinions to guide potential purchases?

ricko

That coin it AT.... looks like heat applied....and not a nice coin to begin with.... seller is banking on the color to sell the coin. Cheers, RickO

BryceM

Um, no.

blitzdude

Baked in taco bell sauce for sure.

Can't say it wouldn't straight grade as many AT coins certainly do depending on which TPG you send them to.

cheezhed

No grade

golden

Two chances. Slim and none. Slim just got on a bus headed out of town.

Crypto

That is worth melt. Only thing more sketchy than toned peace dollars is toned peace dollar collectors.

The are like the pro bicyclists of coins. We know they are all mostly dirty, they know they are all doped but yet they act like a normal sport. It just turns out to be which team is the best at doping

Cougar1978

No stay away from it

MFeld

P> @Crypto said:

That is worth melt. Only thing more sketchy than toned peace dollars is toned peace dollar collectors.

The are like the pro bicyclists of coins. We know they are all mostly dirty, they know they are all doped but yet they act like a normal sport. It just turns out to be which team is the best at doping

However much you might dislike the coin, it’s inaccurate to state that it’s worth (only) “melt”.

PQueue

RE:
That is worth melt.
+1

Crypto

I> @MFeld said:

P> @Crypto said:

That is worth melt. Only thing more sketchy than toned peace dollars is toned peace dollar collectors.

The are like the pro bicyclists of coins. We know they are all mostly dirty, they know they are all doped but yet they act like a normal sport. It just turns out to be which team is the best at doping

However much you might dislike the coin, it’s inaccurate to state that it’s worth (only) “melt”.

I get your point that one would puff it on eBay and get more than melt by uneducated collectors. But under that logic are all coins worth what we can hustle the gullible or what the consensus among experts is?

What would I be offered walking that on the floor of a show ?

What would you sell it for if still a dealer?

I suspect both of the answers are melt.

MFeld

@Crypto said:
I> @MFeld said:

P> @Crypto said:

That is worth melt. Only thing more sketchy than toned peace dollars is toned peace dollar collectors.

The are like the pro bicyclists of coins. We know they are all mostly dirty, they know they are all doped but yet they act like a normal sport. It just turns out to be which team is the best at doping

However much you might dislike the coin, it’s inaccurate to state that it’s worth (only) “melt”.

I get your point that one would puff it on eBay and get more than melt by uneducated collectors. But under that logic are all coins worth what we can hustle the gullible or what the consensus among experts is?

What would I be offered walking that on the floor of a show ?

What would you sell it for if still a dealer?

I suspect both of the answers are melt.

No need to “puff it” anywhere or sell to an uneducated buyer. It’s likely worth a minimum of $15. Even many offered as “culls” on EBay have been bringing that. And while that’s not much different from melt in terms of dollar value, it’s still more than 15% over.

Crypto

@MFeld said:

@Crypto said:
I> @MFeld said:

P> @Crypto said:

That is worth melt. Only thing more sketchy than toned peace dollars is toned peace dollar collectors.

The are like the pro bicyclists of coins. We know they are all mostly dirty, they know they are all doped but yet they act like a normal sport. It just turns out to be which team is the best at doping

However much you might dislike the coin, it’s inaccurate to state that it’s worth (only) “melt”.

I get your point that one would puff it on eBay and get more than melt by uneducated collectors. But under that logic are all coins worth what we can hustle the gullible or what the consensus among experts is?

What would I be offered walking that on the floor of a show ?

What would you sell it for if still a dealer?

I suspect both of the answers are melt.

No need to “puff it” anywhere or sell to an uneducated buyer. It’s likely worth a minimum of $15. Even many offered as “culls” on EBay have been bringing that. And while that’s not much different from melt in terms of dollar value, it’s still more than 15% over.

Melt = Cull in normal coin vernacular

= bottom of what a basic not mutilated or slick is worth.

15% worth of pennies on the dollar doesn’t really justify you making a contrarian point but hey it is a free country.

Go ahead and let the newer poster think that there is notable numismatic value there by stating there “ it is worth more than melt” as a member of heritage. Because noobs will totally get your semantic that you were just talking a few fractions of retail value because it looks like a peace dollar from the 20s and that’s cool.

Also the context of the OP was tone value which there is assuredly none in reputable channels. That is what I was talking about. Your point about the spread of melt vs cull is... you pick the word

Truth is to him it is worth back of melt because that is what 99.9999999999% of the world will pay him for it or after transactions fees.

johnny9434

ill pass

lcoopie

Is it fair to say it’s worth less than it’s mailing and grading fee?

MFeld

@Crypto said:

@MFeld said:

@Crypto said:
I> @MFeld said:

P> @Crypto said:

That is worth melt. Only thing more sketchy than toned peace dollars is toned peace dollar collectors.

The are like the pro bicyclists of coins. We know they are all mostly dirty, they know they are all doped but yet they act like a normal sport. It just turns out to be which team is the best at doping

However much you might dislike the coin, it’s inaccurate to state that it’s worth (only) “melt”.

I get your point that one would puff it on eBay and get more than melt by uneducated collectors. But under that logic are all coins worth what we can hustle the gullible or what the consensus among experts is?

What would I be offered walking that on the floor of a show ?

What would you sell it for if still a dealer?

I suspect both of the answers are melt.

No need to “puff it” anywhere or sell to an uneducated buyer. It’s likely worth a minimum of $15. Even many offered as “culls” on EBay have been bringing that. And while that’s not much different from melt in terms of dollar value, it’s still more than 15% over.

Melt = Cull in normal coin vernacular

= bottom of what a basic not mutilated or slick is worth.

15% worth of pennies on the dollar doesn’t really justify you making a contrarian point but hey it is a free country.

Go ahead and let the newer poster think that there is notable numismatic value there by stating there “ it is worth more than melt” as a member of heritage. Because noobs will totally get your semantic that you were just talking a few fractions of retail value because it looks like a peace dollar from the 20s and that’s cool.

Also the context of the OP was tone value which there is assuredly none in reputable channels. That is what I was talking about. Your point about the spread of melt vs cull is... you pick the word

Truth is to him it is worth back of melt because that is what 99.9999999999% of the world will pay him for it or after transactions fees.

Typically, “cull” does not = “melt”, as they mean two different things. And even if it doesn’t matter to you, many others would consider a 15% or more difference in value, worthy of a “contrarian point”.

Crypto

@MFeld said:

@Crypto said:

@MFeld said:

@Crypto said:
I> @MFeld said:

P> @Crypto said:

That is worth melt. Only thing more sketchy than toned peace dollars is toned peace dollar collectors.

The are like the pro bicyclists of coins. We know they are all mostly dirty, they know they are all doped but yet they act like a normal sport. It just turns out to be which team is the best at doping

However much you might dislike the coin, it’s inaccurate to state that it’s worth (only) “melt”.

I get your point that one would puff it on eBay and get more than melt by uneducated collectors. But under that logic are all coins worth what we can hustle the gullible or what the consensus among experts is?

What would I be offered walking that on the floor of a show ?

What would you sell it for if still a dealer?

I suspect both of the answers are melt.

No need to “puff it” anywhere or sell to an uneducated buyer. It’s likely worth a minimum of $15. Even many offered as “culls” on EBay have been bringing that. And while that’s not much different from melt in terms of dollar value, it’s still more than 15% over.

Melt = Cull in normal coin vernacular

= bottom of what a basic not mutilated or slick is worth.

15% worth of pennies on the dollar doesn’t really justify you making a contrarian point but hey it is a free country.

Go ahead and let the newer poster think that there is notable numismatic value there by stating there “ it is worth more than melt” as a member of heritage. Because noobs will totally get your semantic that you were just talking a few fractions of retail value because it looks like a peace dollar from the 20s and that’s cool.

Also the context of the OP was tone value which there is assuredly none in reputable channels. That is what I was talking about. Your point about the spread of melt vs cull is... you pick the word

Truth is to him it is worth back of melt because that is what 99.9999999999% of the world will pay him for it or after transactions fees.

Typically, “cull” does not = “melt”, as they mean two different things. And even if it doesn’t matter to you, many others would consider a 15% or more difference in value, worthy of a “contrarian point”.

While they can mean different things there are often used synonymously while sometimes there is a series bump on top of melt for some older series. That said 22-25 peace dollars have among the lowest series bump of any silver dollars.

Let’s compromise and agree your option on this one is worth 15% above the opinion’s melt value.

How much would a dealer pay for that and how would they ascertain that price? What value would they give the toning? Would any TPG put it in a holder?

That is info relevant to the conversation, you’re just being incessant. You could have been on topic and added that silver dollar culls often have a small premium of a dollar or so over melt depending on the spread and spot but that is retail only. But again you where being....

scubafuel

It’s easy to post a raw eBay “NO” skrill90. Dozens of them go by every day. The challenge would be to find a raw toned peace dollar on eBay that might be a YES!

BBN

That edge on the reverse between 3 and 4 o'clock looks like it came in contact with extremely high heat.

MFeld

@Crypto said:

@MFeld said:

@Crypto said:

@MFeld said:

@Crypto said:
I> @MFeld said:

P> @Crypto said:

That is worth melt. Only thing more sketchy than toned peace dollars is toned peace dollar collectors.

The are like the pro bicyclists of coins. We know they are all mostly dirty, they know they are all doped but yet they act like a normal sport. It just turns out to be which team is the best at doping

However much you might dislike the coin, it’s inaccurate to state that it’s worth (only) “melt”.

I get your point that one would puff it on eBay and get more than melt by uneducated collectors. But under that logic are all coins worth what we can hustle the gullible or what the consensus among experts is?

What would I be offered walking that on the floor of a show ?

What would you sell it for if still a dealer?

I suspect both of the answers are melt.

No need to “puff it” anywhere or sell to an uneducated buyer. It’s likely worth a minimum of $15. Even many offered as “culls” on EBay have been bringing that. And while that’s not much different from melt in terms of dollar value, it’s still more than 15% over.

Melt = Cull in normal coin vernacular

= bottom of what a basic not mutilated or slick is worth.

15% worth of pennies on the dollar doesn’t really justify you making a contrarian point but hey it is a free country.

Go ahead and let the newer poster think that there is notable numismatic value there by stating there “ it is worth more than melt” as a member of heritage. Because noobs will totally get your semantic that you were just talking a few fractions of retail value because it looks like a peace dollar from the 20s and that’s cool.

Also the context of the OP was tone value which there is assuredly none in reputable channels. That is what I was talking about. Your point about the spread of melt vs cull is... you pick the word

Truth is to him it is worth back of melt because that is what 99.9999999999% of the world will pay him for it or after transactions fees.

Typically, “cull” does not = “melt”, as they mean two different things. And even if it doesn’t matter to you, many others would consider a 15% or more difference in value, worthy of a “contrarian point”.

While they can mean different things there are often used synonymously while sometimes there is a series bump on top of melt for some older series. That said 22-25 peace dollars have among the lowest series bump of any silver dollars.

Let’s compromise and agree your option on this one is worth 15% above the opinion’s melt value.

How much would a dealer pay for that and how would they ascertain that price? What value would they give the toning? Would any TPG put it in a holder?

That is info relevant to the conversation, you’re just being incessant. You could have been on topic and added that silver dollar culls often have a small premium of a dollar or so over melt depending on the spread and spot but that is retail only. But again you where being....

Funny that you should write I’m being incessant. Look at the length of your posts and mine. And as far as being on topic, I answered the original question posed by the OP very early on. Please have the last word, as this will be my last post to this thread.

mannie gray

No it won't straight grade.
And, yes, worth more than melt as there will be a queue of suckers who would eagerly pay more, hoping for a score.

jedm

This has been an educational and informative thread and proves there are always good topics for new threads. My opinion just proves that I have much to learn myself. I'm interested in your opinion on this coin - I remember you saying you had one.

Skrill90

@Catbert said:
Respectfully @Skrill90 , several of your threads ask about ebay auctions. I'm curious, are you looking for board opinions to guide potential purchases?

yes. I collected when I was younger think back around 09-11 and fakes and AT wasn't as abundant. Since coming back the past year my local coin club has closed down and I haven't really found a knowledgeable community until coming here.

BuffaloIronTail

@BryceM said:
Um, no.

The above is one example of why I don't go bonkers for toning or color.

Pete