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1851 Half Cent, Error or Damage?

Is the unusual weakness exhibited by this Half Cent a striking anomaly or an example of post-mint damage?


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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Weigh it - It looks like it could possibly be a tapered end planchet.

    (could be enviormentally damaged surfaces too)

    The weakness is on both sides, same area.
    Could be about 6-8% light by weight.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a legit surface and not damage. However, the mark on the rim under the "1" might be damage.

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,233 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Possibly it suffered partial damage in a fire and then was put back into circulation.

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What I keep pondering isn't so much the loss/lack of detail, but the rims narrow
    significantly also.
    The tapered planchet theory is a good one! I'm guessing if the OP rotated the coin
    while inspecting the 'third side' he could see the tapering.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting. Would love to see it be a tapered planchet.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Without weight or edge view available, I think the tapered planchet is the likely explanation.... Cheers, RickO

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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    Weigh it - It looks like it could possibly be a tapered end planchet.

    (could be enviormentally damaged surfaces too)

    The weakness is on both sides, same area.
    Could be about 6-8% light by weight.

    Definitely think Fred is correct here, and that you have a tapered planchet. The key diagnostic is the thinning of the rim - since the planchet was the correct diameter the proto-rim formed correctly during the upsetting process, but then it was too thin to get flattened by the dies.

    Here is a contemporary piece with a tapered planchet, you can see the same effect on the rim:

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    AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,291 ✭✭✭
    edited October 4, 2019 6:24AM

    Thanks everyone for the replies. The weight on this example is 4.6g.

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's just slightly under 15% underweight.

    It's twice as light as I posted above, based
    on the photos only.

    I believe it's struck on a Tapered Thin Planchet.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    its still a neat piece In any case

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,203 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fred is right as always.

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    AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,291 ✭✭✭

    Thank you @FredWeinberg and everyone else who replied!

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