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What is the Description for this Error Coin? Roosevelt Dime.

FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Is it a Off Center Coin or is it a Broad Struck Coin? No reeding at all on the edge.
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Thanks Much.
Ken

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can it be both? Otherwise, I'll vote Off-Center.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Off Center as once striking details are missing it's no longer Broadstruck.

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2019 11:51AM

    Yep, both...

    From error Ref.: "A perfectly centered coin that is struck out-of-collar is simply called a “broadstrike”. An imperfectly centered coin that is struck out-of-collar is called an “uncentered broadstrike”."

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    Yep, both...

    From error Ref.: "A perfectly centered coin that is struck out-of-collar is simply called a “broadstrike”. An imperfectly centered coin that is struck out-of-collar is called an “uncentered broadstrike”."

    It's an Uncentered Broadstrike if no striking details are missing although can still look off center.

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OC

  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,424 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So the missing very top of America and the very bottom of dime makes it a Un-Centered coin?

    Need to get this correct.

    Thanks.
    Ken

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Broadstruck said:

    @Insider2 said:
    Yep, both...

    From error Ref.: "A perfectly centered coin that is struck out-of-collar is simply called a “broadstrike”. An imperfectly centered coin that is struck out-of-collar is called an “uncentered broadstrike”."

    It's an Uncentered Broadstrike if no striking details are missing although can still look off center.

    For now, the Error Ref. definition makes a lot more sense to me. :)

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,771 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @Broadstruck said:

    @Insider2 said:
    Yep, both...

    From error Ref.: "A perfectly centered coin that is struck out-of-collar is simply called a “broadstrike”. An imperfectly centered coin that is struck out-of-collar is called an “uncentered broadstrike”."

    It's an Uncentered Broadstrike if no striking details are missing although can still look off center.

    For now, the Error Ref. definition makes a lot more sense to me. :)

    I agree.

    But, does it matter? It's the thing in the picture. LOL. It looks like THAT. :wink:

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2019 12:02PM

    @Broadstruck said:
    Off Center as once striking details are missing it's no longer Broadstruck.

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    OC

    You guys are correct.

    From further Error Ref info: "Definition: When a planchet is poorly centered and then struck out of collar, it ends up as either an off-center strike or an uncentered broadstrike. To qualify as an uncentered broadstrike, the design must be FULLY PRESENT on both faces. If the design is cut off at the edge on one or both faces, it is an off-center strike."

    Ain't the internet amazing.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2019 12:04PM

    @Fairlaneman said:
    So the missing very top of America and the very bottom of dime makes it a Un-Centered coin?

    Need to get this correct.

    Thanks.
    Ken

    Sort of....

    Since both sides have the same amount and placement of detail missing it is an offcenter strike. The blank planchet was not fully in the striking area, so really it was the planchet that was at fault. :)

    If one was normal and the other offcenter then it is a misaligned die. (The die was at fault).

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's an off-center strike

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,424 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Much everyone. Now I can describe it correctly.

    Ken

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Fairlaneman said:
    So the missing very top of America and the very bottom of dime makes it a Un-Centered coin?

    Need to get this correct.

    Thanks.
    Ken

    Correct as cutting into the letters makes it off center.

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you get that graded, I would love to see it in a FB slab. It would be worth quite a bit and 1977 which is an extremely difficult Philly 70's date Roosie to get FB in. I would grade it MS66FB. That would be a huge score.

    Good luck and let us know how it turns out.


    Later, Paul.
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Stooge said:
    If you get that graded, I would love to see it in a FB slab. It would be worth quite a bit and 1977 which is an extremely difficult Philly 70's date Roosie to get FB in. I would grade it MS66FB. That would be a huge score.

    Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

    AFAIK, Error coins with FS, FB, etc. are not designated as such.

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @Stooge said:
    If you get that graded, I would love to see it in a FB slab. It would be worth quite a bit and 1977 which is an extremely difficult Philly 70's date Roosie to get FB in. I would grade it MS66FB. That would be a huge score.

    Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

    AFAIK, Error coins with FS, FB, etc. are not designated as such.

    That’s stupid


    Later, Paul.
  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2019 2:06PM

    @Insider2 said:

    @Stooge said:
    If you get that graded, I would love to see it in a FB slab. It would be worth quite a bit and 1977 which is an extremely difficult Philly 70's date Roosie to get FB in. I would grade it MS66FB. That would be a huge score.

    Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

    AFAIK, Error coins with FS, FB, etc. are not designated as such.

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How refreshing. An actual error.

  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @golden said:
    How refreshing. An actual error.

    I was thinking the same thing.
    Wondering what was going to be in pic.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FredWeinberg has spoken so > @Stooge said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @Stooge said:
    If you get that graded, I would love to see it in a FB slab. It would be worth quite a bit and 1977 which is an extremely difficult Philly 70's date Roosie to get FB in. I would grade it MS66FB. That would be a huge score.

    Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

    AFAIK, Error coins with FS, FB, etc. are not designated as such.

    That’s stupid

    Insider has now proven twice he's more of an outsider when it comes to mint errors.

    All my Mercury Dime errors graded by PCGS & NGC are FB designated.

    Standing Liberty Errors with full head details also receive a FH designation by both grading services.

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2019 2:44PM

    Glad to see ICG does designation such as Full Steps too.

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2019 3:46PM

    @Broadstruck said:
    FredWeinberg has spoken so > @Stooge said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @Stooge said:
    If you get that graded, I would love to see it in a FB slab. It would be worth quite a bit and 1977 which is an extremely difficult Philly 70's date Roosie to get FB in. I would grade it MS66FB. That would be a huge score.

    Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

    AFAIK, Error coins with FS, FB, etc. are not designated as such.

    That’s stupid

    Insider has now proven twice he's more of an outsider when it comes to mint errors.

    All my Mercury Dime errors graded by PCGS & NGC are FB designated.

    Standing Liberty Errors with full head details also receive a FH designation by both grading services.

    Some stooge posted: "That’s stupid" I would agree, However, IMO there are a lot of STUPID things that are done in numismatics. That's why I wrote: AFAIK Apparently I am misinformed about how the other grading services do things.

    FOR YOUR INFORMATION (please don't tell anyone) I'm the SOLE PERSON who added 1997-P Broadstruck FS to the ICG catalogue for Mr. Error's nickel because I did think it is stupid not to do it. Again, AFAIK ICG has not done this in the past for error coins. Since every service does it now, I think we'll change our ways. :)

    Next, I've never claimed to be an "error expert;" but if you look at my posts in this thread, I would have got it "right" if that coin was sent in to be authenticated. :p

    Thanks <3 for getting me less MORE informed.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Stooge said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @Stooge said:
    If you get that graded, I would love to see it in a FB slab. It would be worth quite a bit and 1977 which is an extremely difficult Philly 70's date Roosie to get FB in. I would grade it MS66FB. That would be a huge score.

    Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

    AFAIK, Error coins with FS, FB, etc. are not designated as such.

    That’s stupid

    The thing is most if not all off center coins have FB's because of what happens in the strike. I have seen many 1945-P Dimes off center and they all had FB's.

    The OP coin here looks like it was struck twice off center. One more than the other by the looks of that line on the reverse.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @Stooge said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @Stooge said:
    If you get that graded, I would love to see it in a FB slab. It would be worth quite a bit and 1977 which is an extremely difficult Philly 70's date Roosie to get FB in. I would grade it MS66FB. That would be a huge score.

    Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

    AFAIK, Error coins with FS, FB, etc. are not designated as such.

    That’s stupid

    The thing is most if not all off center coins have FB's because of what happens in the strike. I have seen many 1945-P Dimes off center and they all had FB's.

    The OP coin here looks like it was struck twice off center. One more than the other by the looks of that line on the reverse.

    Yes many 45-P's are FB.

    Only stuck once as although stuck out of collar that line is where the finned flan made collar contact.

    Good to see you back from having to sit in the corner! ;)

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Broadstruck said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @Stooge said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @Stooge said:
    If you get that graded, I would love to see it in a FB slab. It would be worth quite a bit and 1977 which is an extremely difficult Philly 70's date Roosie to get FB in. I would grade it MS66FB. That would be a huge score.

    Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

    AFAIK, Error coins with FS, FB, etc. are not designated as such.

    That’s stupid

    The thing is most if not all off center coins have FB's because of what happens in the strike. I have seen many 1945-P Dimes off center and they all had FB's.

    The OP coin here looks like it was struck twice off center. One more than the other by the looks of that line on the reverse.

    Yes many 45-P's are FB.

    Only stuck once as although stuck out of collar that line is where the finned flan made collar contact.

    Good to see you back from having to sit in the corner! ;)

    Thanks and glad to be back.

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just for clarity, I wasn’t calling @Insider2 stupid!
    Although....lol


    Later, Paul.
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Stooge said:
    Just for clarity, I wasn’t calling @Insider2 stupid!
    Although....lol

    Well, Not knowing what the "market accepts" IS STUPID and I'll plead guilty.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now this is an excellent educational thread.... Good to bookmark for training purposes. Cheers, RickO

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As I understand it, SB and FS are common on offcenters and fragment strikes since the striking pressure is focused on a smaller area.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What is happening on the reverse to the left? There looks to be a line with shadow. Was this struck twice or hit the edge of the collar?

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