Yes, many people do not notice that the 3 Leaf variety has much larger leaves.
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I always wondered why they were not considered as one-year types and treated as the 1913 5c and 1917 25c for example. I think I know why this was not done in the past but perhaps it is time for a change.
@Insider2 said:
I always wondered why they were not considered as one-year types and treated as the 1913 5c and 1917 25c for example. I think I know why this was not done in the past but perhaps it is time for a change.
Maybe we can call it the “High Re-Leaf” variety!
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In addition to those differences in reverse wreaths, there are different versions of the eagles. The two coins above both show the same eagle, while this one is different:
This one shows a "beefier" eagle, with just 5 tail feathers. (The coins in the OP both have slimmer bodies, and 6 tail feathers.)
Not pertinent to the thread. They are, however, shown on the True Views in the other thread.
The obv's are different too, that was my point, but I guess nobody cares about that fact.
I see your point now but don’t have the obverse pics handy. The differences must be more subtle as I briefly looked for them a while back and didn’t notice any glaring differences.
The heads are different, but not as much as the reverses. I notice the width of the pointed bust first, and then the “spaghetti hair.”
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Of for Pete's sake. I'm in the process of putting the flowing hair coins together for type (F12-15 tho). After seeing the significant difference between the varieties, I believe I'm now obliged to collect both.
...And so is Mr. Hansen and anyone with Registry Sets. The price of these coins should get a bump in the lower grades too. I hope PCGS starts a 1795 Type 1 and Type 2. That's all it will take to move the Redbook.
Devil's Advocate. This is the same situation for the 1864 2c. They use Large and Small Motto for the two different designs and the dollars have been distinguished by the leaves. Oh well, all's well in the world after all.
@Insider2 said:
Devil's Advocate. This is the same situation for the 1864 2c. They use Large and Small Motto for the two different designs and the dollars have been distinguished by the leaves. Oh well, all's well in the world after all.
@CaptHenway said:
The heads are different, but not as much as the reverses. I notice the width of the pointed bust first, and then the “spaghetti hair.”
Yes, the differences in the obverse side of the Flowing Hair dollars are more subtle. If one were inclined to have two flowing hair dollars for their type set, the obverse sides have a very distinct difference between the "Head of 1794" and the "Head of 1795."
This one is the "Head of 1794," as shown in the OP.
This one is the "Head of 1795":
Notice the extra loop at the base of the bust - that is the characteristic that defines it as the "Head of 1795," and missing that, the type would be the "Head of 1794."
There are varieties of both the "Head of 1794" and the "Head of 1795" among the 1795 Flowing Hair Dollars that have been combined with 3 leaf reverses, and varieties of with 2 leaf reverses. So, in the OP the top coin is a "Head of 1794" with a 3-leaf reverse, and the second one is the "Head of 1794" with a 2-leaf reverse.
The "Head of 1795" just above, displays the "Head of 1795" obverse, matched with the 3-leaf reverse.
If the hair detail on the 3-Leaf wasn’t so dramatically more chiseled than on the 2-Leaf, Laura would never have said that it “looks like a friggin’ medal”. She would have just called it PL.
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@Insider2 said:
...And so is Mr. Hansen and anyone with Registry Sets. The price of these coins should get a bump in the lower grades too. I hope PCGS starts a 1795 Type 1 and Type 2. That's all it will take to move the Redbook.
Devil's Advocate. This is the same situation for the 1864 2c. They use Large and Small Motto for the two different designs and the dollars have been distinguished by the leaves. Oh well, all's well in the world after all.
The two leaf and 3 leaf varieties are already in the “major varieties “ set.
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A justification to retain both being made? 😉
Yes, many people do not notice that the 3 Leaf variety has much larger leaves.
Looks like everything is larger to some degree.
Stems are bigger, ribbon is wider too. The differences are not subtle
I always wondered why they were not considered as one-year types and treated as the 1913 5c and 1917 25c for example. I think I know why this was not done in the past but perhaps it is time for a change.
Yup. Never realized it was such a dramatic difference- had never really looked.
From a design perspective, I like the 2 leaves. Do you have a design preference?
Maybe we can call it the “High Re-Leaf” variety!
I guess no obv pics, too bad.
Not pertinent to the thread. They are, however, shown on the True Views in the other thread.
Numismatists be noticing all sorts of interesting things about coins when they really look at them. 😉
Cool coins, nice contrast of the sub-types.
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@Baley said: "Numismatists be noticing all sorts of interesting things about coins when they really look at them."
AMEN! 😉
In addition to those differences in reverse wreaths, there are different versions of the eagles. The two coins above both show the same eagle, while this one is different:
This one shows a "beefier" eagle, with just 5 tail feathers. (The coins in the OP both have slimmer bodies, and 6 tail feathers.)
I see your point now but don’t have the obverse pics handy. The differences must be more subtle as I briefly looked for them a while back and didn’t notice any glaring differences.
Here are the TrueViews of the two coins:
The heads are different, but not as much as the reverses. I notice the width of the pointed bust first, and then the “spaghetti hair.”
The feathers are different from wing to body. Much bolder on the 3 leaf.
Hair and bust contour are certainly different, as well as the chin. Cheers, RickO
2 leaves reverse definitely looks...sparse...in comparison....but I prefer it aesthetically.
The number of berries is also different and placement of them is different.
Really the only thing they have in common is LIBERTY......15 stars and a Eagle and motto.
As well as Liberty’s nose!
Of for Pete's sake. I'm in the process of putting the flowing hair coins together for type (F12-15 tho). After seeing the significant difference between the varieties, I believe I'm now obliged to collect both.
...And so is Mr. Hansen and anyone with Registry Sets. The price of these coins should get a bump in the lower grades too. I hope PCGS starts a 1795 Type 1 and Type 2. That's all it will take to move the Redbook.
Devil's Advocate. This is the same situation for the 1864 2c. They use Large and Small Motto for the two different designs and the dollars have been distinguished by the leaves. Oh well, all's well in the world after all.
Arghhhh!
Spring vs. Summer?
But no Winter version...
I’m kind of the same way. I don’t spend enough time looking at my less expensive coins.
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Yes, the differences in the obverse side of the Flowing Hair dollars are more subtle. If one were inclined to have two flowing hair dollars for their type set, the obverse sides have a very distinct difference between the "Head of 1794" and the "Head of 1795."
This one is the "Head of 1794," as shown in the OP.
This one is the "Head of 1795":
Notice the extra loop at the base of the bust - that is the characteristic that defines it as the "Head of 1795," and missing that, the type would be the "Head of 1794."
There are varieties of both the "Head of 1794" and the "Head of 1795" among the 1795 Flowing Hair Dollars that have been combined with 3 leaf reverses, and varieties of with 2 leaf reverses. So, in the OP the top coin is a "Head of 1794" with a 3-leaf reverse, and the second one is the "Head of 1794" with a 2-leaf reverse.
The "Head of 1795" just above, displays the "Head of 1795" obverse, matched with the 3-leaf reverse.
If the hair detail on the 3-Leaf wasn’t so dramatically more chiseled than on the 2-Leaf, Laura would never have said that it “looks like a friggin’ medal”. She would have just called it PL.
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The two leaf and 3 leaf varieties are already in the “major varieties “ set.
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1794 vs. 1795 half cents
1795 vs 1795 Cents!
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In 3D, I think you might say the exact opposite.
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