BRUCE WOW! Your 1797 Draped Bust Half Dollar is arguably the most important draped bust half extant. In head to head (if not a nose ahead imho) competition with the MS66. I've always thought that your coin was one of the most fabulous of early 18th century mint products. It has everything one could dream about, starting with being an exceedingly rare and coveted date, A+++ eye appeal, stunning originality. Ok,ok that's enough be still my heart. REALLY AWESOME!
@SiriusBlack said:
Ok I'm stupid. What is the 1796? It doesn't have a denomination on it and I'm not familiar with them
If you look at the early silver with no denominations on the reverse, the way to tell them apart is by the proportions of the denticles and the stars to the overall diameter. See how long the denticles are on that quarter? Blow the picture up to the diameter of a dollar and the denticles on the quarter will be much longer than those on the dollar.
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@Tomthecoinguy said:
Is it just me, or do others get excited when they see a thread started by TDN that has "newp" in the title.
I get really excited and I'm glad he posts.
I've actually been wondering if that's a good test for new acquisitions. If others get excited, it's potentially a good addition. If others don't get excited, don't buy it.
@Tomthecoinguy said:
Is it just me, or do others get excited when they see a thread started by TDN that has "newp" in the title.
I get really excited and I'm glad he posts.
I've actually been wondering if that's a good test for new acquisitions. If others get excited, it's potentially a good addition. If others don't get excited, don't buy it.
Really? For a number of reasons, in general, I think that would be a very poor way to make purchasing decisions.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@Tomthecoinguy said:
Is it just me, or do others get excited when they see a thread started by TDN that has "newp" in the title.
I get really excited and I'm glad he posts.
I've actually been wondering if that's a good test for new acquisitions. If others get excited, it's potentially a good addition. If others don't get excited, don't buy it.
Really? For a number of reasons, in general, I think that would be a very poor way to make purchasing decisions.
We can start another thread on this but yes, I’ve started to think this way for expensive but more common coins. I think it’s a way to avoid tuition and upgrade costs. As an example, I was just looking at Draped Bust gold eagles and Gobrecht dollars where low end problem coins are 4 figures and lower end non-problem coins are low 5 digits. I’m thinking why not wait until a nice one comes into reach, assuming budget can grow over time, e.g. via stocks or other means. Absent that, enjoy the nice coins that are posted here. Of course, it’s different for other areas with less demand. Who doesn’t want to have awesome coins?
@CaptHenway said:
If you look at the early silver with no denominations on the reverse, the way to tell them apart is by the proportions of the denticles and the stars to the overall diameter. See how long the denticles are on that quarter? Blow the picture up to the diameter of a dollar and the denticles on the quarter will be much longer than those on the dollar.
I’ve learned something new, thank you!
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It would be interesting to see someone attempt to make exampled of the two pictured coins today using the same materials and production technology (screw press and I assume hand made dies) that existed at the Mint in 1796 and 1797.
I wonder how close newly made examples would be to the quality of these two coins.
Looking at the blown up true view photos of the 1797 half dollar reveals a number for interesting things present on the coin, especially on the reverse. Hours of studying that coin would be in order.
@SanctionII said:
It would be interesting to see someone attempt to make exampled of the two pictured coins today using the same materials and production technology (screw press and I assume hand made dies) that existed at the Mint in 1796 and 1797.
I wonder how close newly made examples would be to the quality of these two coins.
Ron Landis and Joe Rust (RIP) did exactly that in the 1990s at their original Gallery Mint.
That 1796 quarter is my all time favorite - I believe it was previously from the Knoxville set. I had the opportunity to view that coin up close and its magnificent. Congrats!
What is the 1796? It doesn't have a denomination on it and I'm not familiar with them
On these high grade examples, the incredible engraving artistry by Chief Engraver Robert Scot is evident. The portrait is so consistent with the two denominations that denticles must be used to differentiate them. This was before the reducing lathe which came in 1836. Scot engraved miniature copperplate portraits that required accurate reductions in scale and proportion that was done with graphic projections of gridlines, and the same was used to reduce designs on original dies for the different denominations, in accurate scale.
A lot of accolades have been justly given to the quality of these coins. Let's give credit where credit is due - the engraving by Scot was awesome.
Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
Thanks for posting your Treasures TDN...and OMG that lazy-river is way too cool and how about those picture-perfect set of Palm trees in the front...since becoming a member here in 2012, that is the first time that my wife had actually grabbed my phone from me to check out a picture I’m trying to show her from here! So damn Cool and Congrats
What is the 1796? It doesn't have a denomination on it and I'm not familiar with them
On these high grade examples, the incredible engraving artistry by Chief Engraver Robert Scot is evident. The portrait is so consistent with the two denominations that denticles must be used to differentiate them. This was before the reducing lathe which came in 1836. Scot engraved miniature copperplate portraits that required accurate reductions in scale and proportion that was done with graphic projections of gridlines, and the same was used to reduce designs on original dies for the different denominations, in accurate scale.
A lot of accolades have been justly given to the quality of these coins. Let's give credit where credit is due - the engraving by Scot was awesome.
Definitely great engraving by Robert Scot.
Do we know who did the minting on these? The strike on the quarter looks great as well.
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pretty nice coins. stick with collecting. you may have an impressive collection some day. ;-)
18th century only
Wicked nice I like a little bir
Bit sorry about the spelling
Amazing quality. They leave me speechless and in awe.
Thanks for showing them.
You need to open the set for viewing.
touché of the month. seriously funny.
TDN - No words, wow, and glad you didn't leave us, to some nebby thread on AOL.
BRUCE WOW! Your 1797 Draped Bust Half Dollar is arguably the most important draped bust half extant. In head to head (if not a nose ahead imho) competition with the MS66. I've always thought that your coin was one of the most fabulous of early 18th century mint products. It has everything one could dream about, starting with being an exceedingly rare and coveted date, A+++ eye appeal, stunning originality. Ok,ok that's enough be still my heart. REALLY AWESOME!
You are always full of surprises....
It's still not viewable........so it really doesn't really exist.
Gorgeous coins @tradedollarnut!
Thanks for sharing them. Great to have old friends come back.
Amazing condition and nice, long provenance on these. The quarter goes back to James Ten Eyck and the half dollar to William Gustav Baldenhofer.
Here are the two TrueViews together:
If you look at the early silver with no denominations on the reverse, the way to tell them apart is by the proportions of the denticles and the stars to the overall diameter. See how long the denticles are on that quarter? Blow the picture up to the diameter of a dollar and the denticles on the quarter will be much longer than those on the dollar.
Very very nice!
Speaking of denticles...this is interesting:
As always ..... great pick ups TDN!
Is it just me, or do others get excited when they see a thread started by TDN that has "newp" in the title.
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I get really excited and I'm glad he posts.
I've actually been wondering if that's a good test for new acquisitions. If others get excited, it's potentially a good addition. If others don't get excited, don't buy it.
Really? For a number of reasons, in general, I think that would be a very poor way to make purchasing decisions.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Exquisite.
Thank you for sharing photos of these coins with the forum.
We can start another thread on this but yes, I’ve started to think this way for expensive but more common coins. I think it’s a way to avoid tuition and upgrade costs. As an example, I was just looking at Draped Bust gold eagles and Gobrecht dollars where low end problem coins are 4 figures and lower end non-problem coins are low 5 digits. I’m thinking why not wait until a nice one comes into reach, assuming budget can grow over time, e.g. via stocks or other means. Absent that, enjoy the nice coins that are posted here. Of course, it’s different for other areas with less demand. Who doesn’t want to have awesome coins?
Nice! Your house looks awesome. It’s good to have priorities
I’ve learned something new, thank you!
Collector of randomness. Photographer at PCGS. Lover of Harry Potter.
Wow! Incredible coins.
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I was expecting to see the usual ho hum eventually come on for display but those two issues of 1796 and 1797 are stunning!
Just kidding no ho hum around here ever.
In Early Bust coinage, how does one figure out what denomination one is looking at from an image?
Okay, I see on closer inspection that the 1797 dated piece has a denomination stamped on it.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Congratulations.
@tradedollarnut
Where’s the pic of the runway?
No one has identified any on this pair.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Please give it up. You are embarrassing yourself.
My 1866 Philly Mint Set
Those are some bold, full strikes on both coins.These are presentation pieces?
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Mine had it.
My 1866 Philly Mint Set
It would be interesting to see someone attempt to make exampled of the two pictured coins today using the same materials and production technology (screw press and I assume hand made dies) that existed at the Mint in 1796 and 1797.
I wonder how close newly made examples would be to the quality of these two coins.
Looking at the blown up true view photos of the 1797 half dollar reveals a number for interesting things present on the coin, especially on the reverse. Hours of studying that coin would be in order.
Ron Landis and Joe Rust (RIP) did exactly that in the 1990s at their original Gallery Mint.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
That 1796 quarter is my all time favorite - I believe it was previously from the Knoxville set. I had the opportunity to view that coin up close and its magnificent. Congrats!
I wanted to be the first one to post that these two coins fall short of expectations...I just can't do it.
Incredible pieces to be be certain! Well played!
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Wow.
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Congratulations... Amazing coins
Excellent coins!
@ SiriusBlack:
On these high grade examples, the incredible engraving artistry by Chief Engraver Robert Scot is evident. The portrait is so consistent with the two denominations that denticles must be used to differentiate them. This was before the reducing lathe which came in 1836. Scot engraved miniature copperplate portraits that required accurate reductions in scale and proportion that was done with graphic projections of gridlines, and the same was used to reduce designs on original dies for the different denominations, in accurate scale.
A lot of accolades have been justly given to the quality of these coins. Let's give credit where credit is due - the engraving by Scot was awesome.
Beautiful!
Thanks for posting your Treasures TDN...and OMG that lazy-river is way too cool and how about those picture-perfect set of Palm trees in the front...since becoming a member here in 2012, that is the first time that my wife had actually grabbed my phone from me to check out a picture I’m trying to show her from here! So damn Cool and Congrats
Definitely great engraving by Robert Scot.
Do we know who did the minting on these? The strike on the quarter looks great as well.
No matter how hard I look, I'm just not going to find a Gallery Mint copy stamp, am I?
Stunning!
nothing but eye candy as usual
I can do nothing but shake my head and enjoy from afar.
Thanks for sharing.