1973 medal to commemorate california water project completion. Can it be a So called dollar?

coinsarefun

The size is correct, it comes in brass and silver.
It commemorates a very important feat for California and
it states that it is one of mans greatest engineering feats.
And it has the Cali state seal.........what’s not to like?
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.so should this be included in the SCD books?
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Silver by Medallic Art Co.
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Zoins

I'd say yes, it qualifies as a So-Called Dollar.

You can check with John Raymond to see if he'll list it here: http://socalleddollar.com/ahBuildings.html

Also, Jeff Shevlin and Bill Hyder are cataloging modern So-Called Dollars now so it would be good to mention it to them as well.

AUandAG

Probably should be. But, California bragging that it was Man's greatest.....oroville dam is the one that almost burst and almost failed, costing billions to repair, and it was a part of this project. They stole water from places that they may end up having to return to the rightful owners (Owens Valley water) (see the movie "Chinatown"). Eminent domain proceeding will commence against LA to take the water back. The valley was lush and green and had wonderful farms/ranches but LA needed water and quietly sent shills, posing as farmers, to buy up all the land and water rights, so that it could be shipped to LA via aqueduct.

bob

291fifth

The issue of what should constitute a so-called dollar in the period that is not covered by the H-K book is ill defined. This example probably should be but will it be accepted by the collecting public?

A very specific definition of what qualifies as a so-called dollar is needed but getting agreement on such a definition may prove difficult.

RogerB

No. H-K defined "so-called dollars" and their book covers them. Anything else is just one of thousands of small medals.

coinsarefun

@Zoins said:
I'd say yes, it qualifies as a So-Called Dollar.

You can check with John Raymond to see if he'll list it here: http://socalleddollar.com/ahBuildings.html

Also, Jeff Shevlin and Bill Hyder are cataloging modern So-Called Dollars now so it would be good to mention it to them as well.

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Thanks Zoins, Thats what I was thinking about it fits into the classification of Public Works.
And btw @RogerB its not like the thousands of small medals. The size id slightly smaller than a silver dollar.
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I posted the silver one in the original post one. Its by Medallic Art Co.
I haven't found any info on these as the mintage or anything.
I found another in an original box and that silver one looks different then the one I have.
I'll post the other when I get it.
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ctf_error_coins

LA needs to get it done, just build huge desalination plants and leave the Owens Valley alone.

AUandAG

desalination plants are being built all over Africa with solar as the power source......wake up CA!!

bob

ricko

Very nice SCD/medal.... whatever... It is still a nice piece with appealing designs. Thanks for showing us Stef... Cheers, RickO

dcarr

It is listed as a post-1960 "so-called dollar" on this John Raymond page:
https://socalleddollar.com/alModern.html

These seem to be fairly scarce.

Here is one I recently acquired (32.75 grams, edge marked "MEDALLIC ART CO. N.Y. .999+ PURE SILVER):

Zoins

@RogerB said:
No. H-K defined "so-called dollars" and their book covers them. Anything else is just one of thousands of small medals.

It's worth noting that H-K weren't the first to define So-Called Dollars or use the term. Before HK, So-Called Dollars were defined by Thomas L. Elder and Richard D. Kenney, while after HK, So-Called Dollars are being defined by John Raymond, Jeff Shevlin, and Bill Hyder.

The following is from David Perkins showing the Kenney guide a decade earlier than the H&K guide.

@WDP said on August 13, 2020 3:29PM:
@Zoins , I have a copy of Richard D. Kenney's So-Called Dollars. It just happens to be the Ostheimer's heavily annotated copy! It was published by Wayte Raymond, Inc. with a date of July-August, 1953 in New York. I got this copy from Mrs. Ostheimer approximately 17 years ago when I bought the Ostheimer Collection of So-Called Dollars from her.

Here is a photo of the cover and inside front cover pages, along with a heavily annotated (with notes) outside back cover page.

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coinsarefun

@dcarr said:
It is listed as a post-1960 "so-called dollar" on this John Raymond page:
https://socalleddollar.com/alModern.html

These seem to be fairly scarce.

Here is one I recently acquired (32.75 grams, edge marked "MEDALLIC ART CO. N.Y. .999+ PURE SILVER):

Up until recant it wasn’t as I have 2 of them.

Maywood

JMHO, but Shevlin/Hyder should leave the well established So-Called Dollar listings alone and establish their own numbering system for all the "orphan" medals out there that everyone seems to believe need to be catalogued somewhere as So-Called Dollars. From what I see that is what they are doing with "SH" numbers but they have the ear of NGC who it seems is willing to list HK/SH both on an insert. The eventuality, judging from past events, will be to re-list all SC$'s with the new "SH" numbering system.