Is this a 1916 Matte Proof?
Skrill90
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The fact that its raw and blurry pics has me wondering. Also it appears a lot of the sellers coins are cleaned, so Im curious if the toning/ matte appearance is from a cleaning.
Not sure if its an actual proof, anyone have opinions on it?
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I don't think so. (Reverse rim is my 'tell')
peacockcoins
I also don't think so. To my knowledge 1916's often come fully struck and well-detailed.
Collector, occasional seller
Are you asking for curiosity sake or are you thinking about purchasing it?
I doubt it is.
- Bob -
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I am no expert on these but the bad pics are one red flag. Also, a coin like this belongs in a slab if authentic, so why isn't it already in one?
Most of his other auctions have bad pics also, so I think that is his shtick. A good way to move merchandise - he wants you to bid based on what you think or hope it is.
0% chance. This guy cracks details coins and sells them raw every week. If he thinks it's a matte proof,
1. Why not spend $25 to find out?
2. Why sell a $2,000 coin for $199?
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Comments above say enough. No one says a coin is a matte proof worth several thousand and then sells it for $199
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Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
Hey, if he wants to make only $199 on a cent valued at $2500 ...just saying...
Maybe its time to bring the MPL posse back to get rid of these bad sellers just like we did many years back...
Nope.
Out of curiosity. Typically I post because I'm curious and am looking to learn from more experienced members here. I have gained a lot of knowledge from our fellow numismatists and forumites.
He has sent it in for grading.....
bob
No
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Matte proof cents are very interesting and VERY different from business strike cents. Check out some TRUEVIEWs of MPL's and you can see what I am talking about. All of them have die markers you look for to verify they are Matte proofs. There are several excellent books worth the money to buy actually written by forum members. Kevin Flynn and Carl Waltz books can be bought on line. With out a lot of illustrations its hard to demonstrate just how different they are and what to look for to ID one.
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@Skrill90 "Out of curiosity. Typically I post because I'm curious and am looking to learn from more experienced members here. I have gained a lot of knowledge from our fellow numismatists and forumites."
Glad it's curiosity and a desire to learn rather than you were about to pill the trigger.
No.
Just a brown BS.
And also brown BS (still steaming.)
Judging from the pictures, I agree with the consensus... no. Just another con job. Cheers, RickO
I'm not saying it's what the seller thinks, only that these are still floating around out there. I found a 1912 some time ago in a bunch of Cents, save for the light scratch that landed it in a BB it probably would have graded PR64BN. there's a clear way stuff like that gets into MS coin lots.
it's a "heads-up" to me and everyone else about the importance of having things catalogued or marked for our heirs to at least be able to tell a buyer what something is.
To heir is human,
To forgive is also human.
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No.
The obverse master hub was replaced in 1916 and dies were probably as detailed as ever, pre or post 1916.
Lance.
I don't think a genuine circulated 1916 Matte Proof would be worth $2,000. I thought I found one in circulation as a kid - about AU50 RB - and when I looked up a price I found such a coin would be worth about $500.
No. From the pictures it does not look like a matte proof. 1916 busines strikes from fresh early die states really look nice and some of them strongly resemble the matte proofs. The best look “almost” proof! Usually they are deficient in that the rims are not fully squared up all around.
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good info in this thread. Looks like the coin sold.
I hope the buyer thinks they got a steal and rushes out to get it slabbed in time to return it once they get the bad news.