The United States Mint has some extremely talented artists and sculptors on the payroll. Only we the collectors see the true beauty through commemorative coin programs. It's long over due to cut the binds and free their hands for a complete redesign of all denominations with something more emblematic of who we are as a nation. No more dead individuals. No disrespect intended. The coinage Act of 1873 could be implemented by the Director without Congressional approval. Then, and only then, would the public and the world get to see who these modern masters are and what they are capable
of. Imagine something to rival Adolph Weinman or Augustus Saint-Gaudens.
Can moderns be beautiful? Sure, but it seems like too many designs minted too fast in short windows of time lead to very disposable and forgettable designs.
@Tomthecoinguy said:
I don't think D Carr stuff should even be allowed on this forum at all,
(except for the couple real state quarters he designed).
Sure, I will enter your contest to help celebrate your two years on the board.
In the spirit of Laule'a, my entry will be my favorite altered US coin!
I believe the alteration to be period to the piece.
-Tom
From the Contest thread:
@Tomthecoinguy said:
I bought this 1853 half cent from a pawn shop, I did not notice it was altered until I got it home. The alteration is what makes it one of my favorite coins (how can you pick just one favorite?)
So in that other thread you stated that your altered large cent is still a "coin".
What if someone counter-stamped their initials into the face of it. Is that still a coin ?
What about a carved "hobo" nickel ?
@Onastone said:
Can moderns be beautiful? Sure, but it seems like too many designs minted too fast in short windows of time lead to very disposable and forgettable designs.
@Tomthecoinguy said:
I don't think D Carr stuff should even be allowed on this forum at all,
(except for the couple real state quarters he designed).
@asheland said:
Not my picture, but I really like this design:
Me too.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
"Counterfeit products are fakes or unauthorized replicas of the real product. Counterfeit products are often produced with the intent to take advantage of the superior value of the imitated product. The word counterfeit frequently describes both the forgeries
Your quoted statement says nothing about D.Carr's overstruck coins. D. Carr's overstrikes are neither fake, nor unauthorized replicas, nor are they produced with intent to deceive, nor are they forgeries, nor are they produced to take advantage of a superior value of anything. They are overstrikes.
I don't think D Carr stuff should even be allowed on this forum at all, at least in the context of someone proporting them to be a "coin" (except for the couple real state quarters he designed). It really gets me when someone makes a post calling it a "coin." If that isn't deceptive, I don't know what is.
Case closed. You don't know what deceptive is.
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Sure, I will enter your contest to help celebrate your two years on the board.
In the spirit of Laule'a, my entry will be my favorite altered US coin!
I believe the alteration to be period to the piece.
-Tom
From the Contest thread:
@Tomthecoinguy said:
I bought this 1853 half cent from a pawn shop, I did not notice it was altered until I got it home. The alteration is what makes it one of my favorite coins (how can you pick just one favorite?)
So in that other thread you stated that your altered large cent is still a "coin".
What if someone counter-stamped their initials into the face of it. Is that still a coin ?
What about a carved "hobo" nickel ?
The above quote was an olive branch. Because I know how obstinate you can be, I guess you are not interested in Peace, or perhaps you are trying to alleviate your guilt over what you are doing to our hobby.
What you do is alter a coin to make it look like something that it is not. You make your products look like they are actual mint products, and there in lies the difference. That is deceptive pure and simple.
The fact the you strike them over a real coin, well that is just a lame attempt to rationalize your deception.
I think you are incredibly talented, and if you stopped trying to make your work appear to be real coins, I would be a customer. Not only that, I would be a distributor!
@jmski52 said: "Counterfeit products are fakes or unauthorized replicas of the real product. Counterfeit products are often produced with the intent to take advantage of the superior value of the imitated product. The word counterfeit frequently describes both the forgeries
Your quoted statement says nothing about D.Carr's overstruck coins. D. Carr's overstrikes are neither fake, nor unauthorized replicas, nor are they produced with intent to deceive, nor are they forgeries, nor are they produced to take advantage of a superior value of anything. They are overstrikes.
I don't think D Carr stuff should even be allowed on this forum at all, at least in the context of someone proporting them to be a "coin" (except for the couple real state quarters he designed). It really gets me when someone makes a post calling it a "coin." If that isn't deceptive, I don't know what is.
Case closed. You don't know what deceptive is.
I know what deceptive is. When you try to make something appear to be what it is not, that is deceptive. For example, if you alter the date on a coin (make a common date Peace dollar into a 1964 Peace dollar), or take a business strike coin, and make it look like a proof.
This is exactly what D Carr does, he will take a coin and try to make it look like it is another mint product.
Absolutely many modern coins, (and modern official US Mint Commemorative medals, my current real quest) are beautiful.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
As someone who has a couple modern registry sets I can say a coin even with a design some don't like, if struck perfectly and with a nice quality, exceptional finish, it can be very beautiful.
Quick looks are not everything, it is the rarity, quality, texture, toning, and awe inspiring feeling that some old round metal objects (and a few other things) give you that matter.
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Please enter my AN contest
I always liked the dolly Madison coin
Sure. this is still my all-time favorite eagle on any US coin. (The 1999 gold George Washington commemorative is a very close second.
Sure, I will enter your contest to help celebrate your two years on the board.
In the spirit of Laule'a, my entry will be my favorite altered US coin!
I believe the alteration to be period to the piece.
-Tom
Join the fight against Minnesota's unjust coin dealer tax law.
The United States Mint has some extremely talented artists and sculptors on the payroll. Only we the collectors see the true beauty through commemorative coin programs. It's long over due to cut the binds and free their hands for a complete redesign of all denominations with something more emblematic of who we are as a nation. No more dead individuals. No disrespect intended. The coinage Act of 1873 could be implemented by the Director without Congressional approval. Then, and only then, would the public and the world get to see who these modern masters are and what they are capable
of. Imagine something to rival Adolph Weinman or Augustus Saint-Gaudens.
I believe that the coinage of an era is a reflection of the character of the people in that era. This is why the new designs are so hideous.
I agree-that's one of the best renditions of the eagle ever. I think the Flying Eagle Cent and Walking Liberty Half are excellent ones, too.
Can moderns be beautiful? Sure, but it seems like too many designs minted too fast in short windows of time lead to very disposable and forgettable designs.
(except for the couple real state quarters he designed).
Which quarters did he design?
From the Contest thread:
So in that other thread you stated that your altered large cent is still a "coin".
What if someone counter-stamped their initials into the face of it. Is that still a coin ?
What about a carved "hobo" nickel ?
NY and RI (and half way on Maine - long story).
@dcarr That's great!!!! I never knew.
Post it in the Mr. Carr thread so I don't have to look at it.
That's one way to get both brothers on the coin.
The Rhode Island is very nice too!
Me too.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
"Counterfeit products are fakes or unauthorized replicas of the real product. Counterfeit products are often produced with the intent to take advantage of the superior value of the imitated product. The word counterfeit frequently describes both the forgeries
Your quoted statement says nothing about D.Carr's overstruck coins. D. Carr's overstrikes are neither fake, nor unauthorized replicas, nor are they produced with intent to deceive, nor are they forgeries, nor are they produced to take advantage of a superior value of anything. They are overstrikes.
I don't think D Carr stuff should even be allowed on this forum at all, at least in the context of someone proporting them to be a "coin" (except for the couple real state quarters he designed). It really gets me when someone makes a post calling it a "coin." If that isn't deceptive, I don't know what is.
Case closed. You don't know what deceptive is.
I knew it would happen.
That's a pic I took a few years ago with my iPhone7.
That black thing behind DCarr's 1964 Peace $1 is my inkjet printer.
I'm amazed you are posting one of my amateur pics here.
I knew that pic looked familiar!!
Although, it is pretty good I have to admit.
Found it on Google image searches. One of the first photos that populate!
Old design, modern rendition
The above quote was an olive branch. Because I know how obstinate you can be, I guess you are not interested in Peace, or perhaps you are trying to alleviate your guilt over what you are doing to our hobby.
What you do is alter a coin to make it look like something that it is not. You make your products look like they are actual mint products, and there in lies the difference. That is deceptive pure and simple.
The fact the you strike them over a real coin, well that is just a lame attempt to rationalize your deception.
I think you are incredibly talented, and if you stopped trying to make your work appear to be real coins, I would be a customer. Not only that, I would be a distributor!
I know what deceptive is. When you try to make something appear to be what it is not, that is deceptive. For example, if you alter the date on a coin (make a common date Peace dollar into a 1964 Peace dollar), or take a business strike coin, and make it look like a proof.
This is exactly what D Carr does, he will take a coin and try to make it look like it is another mint product.
Case closed.
Join the fight against Minnesota's unjust coin dealer tax law.
I say YES!
Absolutely many modern coins, (and modern official US Mint Commemorative medals, my current real quest) are beautiful.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
As someone who has a couple modern registry sets I can say a coin even with a design some don't like, if struck perfectly and with a nice quality, exceptional finish, it can be very beautiful.
Quick looks are not everything, it is the rarity, quality, texture, toning, and awe inspiring feeling that some old round metal objects (and a few other things)
give you that matter.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
Absolutely. Many attractive world issues too, especially bullion worth stacking.
Well at least this time you didn't post the exact same coin again. Third time's the charm!
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Who's that guy with the pencil in that?
I like the reverse of the palladium bullion coin.
How about some beautiful coins from the future 😉
Mr_Spud
I got one recently:
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For modern, one of my all-time favorites:
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They can be beautiful, but in a more artistic way. They don't have the character of older coins, which is what I find most beautiful.
Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard