1943 d/d steel cent value / conservation?

Azurescens

Just wondering if anyone has the RPM designation for this and what the coin might possibly be worth. Prices are all over the place on listed items and sold items.

How much do these cost to have conserved? Does it take away from value? Do they still straight grade if done professionally by pcgs?

Thanks for any and all help.

Azurescens

I'm sorry if the photos are trash. They look halfway decent on my end. I guess taking pictures of steel cents is a whole new ballgame over copper, clad, silver and gold.

I can get better ones if you kind folks can't see what you need to see.

I paid $2 for this so I hope it's a big win.

WaterSport

A quick scan of Wexler and Variety Vista do not show your example. But their are MANY minor RPM varieties for the 1943 D. But yours also looks like "die abrasion doubling" so without a very good close up of the min mark its hard to tell. Post it over on the LCR site and see what the folks there say.

WS

jmlanzaf

There's 22 RPMs for 1943-D, none of which look like that mostly because of the 4. It looks a little like DDO-007 but the Liberty should show some spread.

BillJones

There is not worthwhile to conserve. The zinc coating has spotted, which it is prone to do. There is nothing to be done that won't make the piece look worse to those who appreciate originality.

mannie gray

@WaterSport said:
A quick scan of Wexler and Variety Vista do not show your example. But their are MANY minor RPM varieties for the 1943 D. But yours also looks like "die abrasion doubling" so without a very good close up of the min mark its hard to tell. Post it over on the LCR site and see what the folks there say.

WS

I agree with the die abrasion doubling.
Look at the numerals in the date--they are doubled in the same manner and direction.

seanq

That is not a doubled die or an RPM, that effect is caused by fractured plating during the strike. Copper plated cents from the early 1980s exhibit the same kind of phantom doubling. There is no incremental value associated, it is considered a form of damage.

Sean Reynolds

Insider2

@mannie gray said:

@WaterSport said:
A quick scan of Wexler and Variety Vista do not show your example. But their are MANY minor RPM varieties for the 1943 D. But yours also looks like "die abrasion doubling" so without a very good close up of the min mark its hard to tell. Post it over on the LCR site and see what the folks there say.

WS

I agree with the die abrasion doubling.
Look at the numerals in the date--they are doubled in the same manner and direction.

Most will agree the OP's coin is not a DDO or RPM. Now we need to determine its cause and the proper terminology!

Calling all error experts.

So far "fractured plating" and "die abrasion" have been used. I don't think it is either one. Fractured plating is not raised. Die abrasion is not raised; however, I think the poster knows what he means and just used the incorrect terminology.

Please help, What is this characteristic called?

The coin is not worth conserving. Just buy another as they are inexpensive.

291fifth

Not worth "conserving". Once the zinc coating starts to go it's gone.

mannie gray

I usually refer to it as die deterioration doubling.

cameonut2011

It looks like strike doubling to me, and zinc is even more reactive than copper. Conservation could ruin the coin.

CRH4LIFE

@mannie gray said:
I usually refer to it as die deterioration doubling.

Bingo. I know the term “ghosting” to be related to these steel cents as a well

Insider2

@CRH4LIFE said:

@mannie gray said:
I usually refer to it as die deterioration doubling.

Bingo. I know the term “ghosting” to be related to these steel cents as a well

AFAIK, "ghosting" is used across the Atlantic to describe the characteristic found on coins like the large copper pennies where it appears that the surface metal is sucked down forming a depressed image of the design on the other side. It is different in appearance from a die clash.

So IMO, it does not apply to the characteristic seen on the OP's coin.

CRH4LIFE

@Insider2 said:

@CRH4LIFE said:

@mannie gray said:
I usually refer to it as die deterioration doubling.

Bingo. I know the term “ghosting” to be related to these steel cents as a well

AFAIK, "ghosting" is used across the Atlantic to describe the characteristic found on coins like the large copper pennies where it appears that the surface metal is sucked down forming a depressed image of the design on the other side. It is different in appearance from a die clash.

So IMO, it does not apply to the characteristic seen on the OP's coin.

I do not doubt that. Reason behind my mention to “ghosting” is from Ken Potter associating that term to the effect as shown above to a much more novice audience on other forums such as FB. Thanks for the correction @Insider2