1875-S 20c. A new die variety or counterfeit? NGC MS-62

KindaNewish · June 17, 2019 7:12PM

This one is a weirdo. All looks good on first glance, but the die cracks on the obverse are something I've never seen before, and then the obverse stars just kept getting jankier as I moved across the dial.
I cannot find a match on www.doubledimes.com, what say you?

https://www.apmex.com/product/157400/1875-s-twenty-cent-piece-ms-62-ngc

I'm petty sure this is not genuine, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

Indulger · June 17, 2019 7:24PM

The Stars look kinda weakly struck on the die crack line. Maybe related? Not my series but I think it “looks” legit. JMHO

KindaNewish · June 17, 2019 7:40PM

edit
I am wrong.

BF-14 VLDS.
You learn something new every day.

ifthevamzarockin · June 17, 2019 7:44PM

Scroll thru the photos. I see some strange stars. Not my series but it looks okay to me.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1875-s-20c/5298

Edited to add: I saw one photo with a die crack by date much like the one in question.

AUandAG · June 17, 2019 7:46PM

Coin matches the NGC photo.
https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/4239636-001/62/

astrorat · June 17, 2019 7:54PM

I think the coin is real, just a later die state. I recall seeing a similar appearing date (die break on lower right of 8) amongst coins John and I researched. It also looks as a rim break is beginning to form under the left side of the date.

It's difficult to view using the 'magnifier' image used by APMEX.

kbbpll · June 17, 2019 7:54PM

Found a couple with identical die crack. OP coin top, MS65 middle with early crack, VF35 bottom with hint of chip in corner of 8 starting to appear.

From:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/twenty-cent-pieces/quarters-and-twenty-cents/1875-s-20c-ms65-pcgs-cac-bf-6-r4/a/1296-3649.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515
https://coins.ha.com/itm/twenty-cent-pieces/quarters-and-twenty-cents/1875-s-20c-vf35-ngc-ngc-census-96-2586-pcgs-population-220-3533-vf35-mintage-1-155-000-from-the-maumee-val/a/131921-27197.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

KindaNewish · June 17, 2019 8:00PM

@kbbpll said:
Found a couple with identical die crack. OP coin top, MS65 middle with early crack, VF35 bottom with hint of chip in corner of 8 starting to appear.

I stand corrected.
Thank you.

ricko · June 18, 2019 6:49AM

Interesting .... Thanks for posting this... the ensuing information can be helpful to members. Cheers, RickO

joebb21 · June 18, 2019 7:15AM

just looks overgraded and poor quality

Smudge · June 18, 2019 12:13PM

Considering the source, it may be a stock photo.

Ask_the_Coin_Dealer · June 20, 2019 6:27PM

If you want to know if it is a stock photo or a photo of the exact coin on the APMEX website, just hover your mouse over the little camera icon. In this instance it is a stock photo. If it is the actual photo it will say "image of the exact coin you will receive."