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The one that didn't grade - toned 1935 walker
clarkbar04
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This beautiful walker would have completed my toned walker 1930s run. PCGS said cleaned. I find it attractive regardless of the non-grade, in fact it is probably the nicest looking one from the 1930s that I have.
MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
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Awesome yellows and oranges coming out of the sun
Beautiful walker! the non-grade that infuriates me is questionable toning. We pay a fee for a professional service and receive no opinion whether a coins toning is real or artificial, that is a cop-out. Yet we are charged full price, makes no sense to me. Unfortunately this became more common after the senior graders were replaced.
I would like to see questionable toning used much less, use your best judgment and make a determination.
I'm not seeing it. Maybe one of those coins you have to see in hand.
That coin is BEAUTIFUL...…..AND...…...YOU WERE ROBBED!!!!!! I would be very angry!!!!!
Nice color that looks natural to me. I've had this same thing happen to me on a half a dozen or so coins.
This one was cleaned as opposed to QC. Not sure on the number yet but I plan on resubmitting.
It has a few heavy die polish lines on the obverse that catch your eye, it was scrubbed pretty hard in that RH obv field at the mint.
Also it is code 92.
R> @clarkbar04 said:
I think I see a number of vertical lines in the right obverse field, which do not look like die polish lines. Of course, I’m at a major disadvantage, not having the coin in hand.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
It may very well be, I have missed cleanings on a couple other toned coins before. (both buffaloes) I'll give it a better look once it gets back before I spend any more money on submission fees.
Nice color. How's the luster?
By the way, had I not known that the coin had been called “cleaned”, I wouldn’t necessarily think that those lines would result in such a determination. However, I’m looking for an explanation.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Are you saying that a Taco Bell napkin and a few years of storage/toning might do the trick?
For fun here's a few more from the same submission. (8 total)
both raw buys as well. (all were)
Great looking '35, I really like the toning. I'm surprised it was given a details grade. Certainly worth another look in hand to determine if it would be worth resubmitting.
Appears you piced up a nice lot of coins, clarkbar04 from the three you pictured. Are the other five of that batch as nice?
These were definitely some of the nicer ones, one just needed to grade how I saw it.
Here's a few more.
MS65
AU58 but well struck for the date and mint
62
62
@clarkbar04 ....That '37 WLH is a beauty.... I am not seeing the OP cleaning in the picture... maybe in hand... let us know when you get it back. Cheers, RickO
MS62 for that 80 o Morgan ??? Seems too tight for that grade.
@ClarkBar04 @MFeld
When I see an example such as this, I often wonder if one of the early owners may have gently Wiped it with either a handkerchief or other soft cloth to remove a fingerprint, leaving light wipe lines that today may be harshly interpreted by a TPGS as “Cleaning”.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
@RobKool The TPGS’s typically grade 1880-O Morgan Dollars very conservatively at MS-63 and above because of the significant price increase escalation beginning at that grade, and especially at MS-64 and above.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
I’d send it back in at some point. Either way, that’s a coin I could live with a cleaning if in fact there is some evidence.
I was thinking a MS63 or better for the 80 o... I see some good luster , nice strike, and few contact marks with better than average eye appeal.
I was expecting a 63 on it, it certainly looks better than your average 61/62 80-O.
Just curious as to what technique works best for seeing those cleaning lines? Anybody care to share what they do?
I use a 10X loupe in a dark room with a bright light on, about 2-3 feet away. Then tilt the coin until it catches the light. For me this works best for seeing those hairlines from cleaning. Or, I just give it a hard look with a 10X if I’m on the fly.
If the glove don’t fit ...you must resubmit
Different techniques work better for different people, but these are some of the things I do, when examining coins...
I usually start out without using any magnification. I want to get a feel for what the entire coin looks like and to avoid micro-grading. The expression “see the forest for the trees” comes to mind.
After slowly tilting and rotating the coin under a good light source, then, I will use a loupe. In the large majority of cases, 5X magnification is enough. One technique which I sometimes make use of, is to start out by viewing the coin, holding it sideways or at other rotations, rather than right side-up. You can get a different perspective that way and you might see something that you would otherwise miss.
Experiment with different types of lighting - they can make a huge difference in what you see. That pertains to hairlines, wipes, cleaning, wheel-marks, substances on the coin’s surface, luster and colors, etc.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The photos make the luster look somewhat muted which could be part of it. Of course it is a True View, and the images can understate luster. What does it look like in hand?
@MFeld
Mark, Thanks for sharing your following Professional Grader and Dealer Excellent Advice with us!! 😁👍
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
While its a very pretty looking coin, when I blew up the op's photo it does look like a series of faint lines in the obv field as mentioned by Mr. Feld. might need some further toning time in order to get a straight grade.
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Mark,
Thank you for sharing that with us. It’s very well received.
Joe
Id buy. All of the MS62 morgans if they looked liked that. Some cheek for the grade!!
I like the 28 SLQ