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problems with a 1916 proof-66 buffalo nickel slabbed by your host.

BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 25, 2019 12:01PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Take a look at this picture of the obverse of a slabbed proof-65 1916 buffalo nickel (600 struck). Any comments?

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,676 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2019 10:55AM

    Unusual amount of die polishing? What's the reverse look like? Is EPU clashed?

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  • CRH4LIFECRH4LIFE Posts: 849 ✭✭✭✭

    No Tru view available? I have never owned a PR Buff but I see a nasty spot there

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a PR66 ;). Also spot removed?... The PR65 for sale at $1500 less is much nicer IMO.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    “Any comments?”

    Yes, despite the temptation, don’t jump to conclusions - negative or positive - based just on a coin’s images.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    “Any comments?”

    Yes, despite the temptation, don’t jump to conclusions - negative or positive - based just on a coin’s images.

    True, I should adjust what I've said... Based on the images provided, the PR65 example also currently available(not pictured here) looks like the nicer coin.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019 12:42PM

    All I see are tiny spots and one big one. So what's the point you are trying to make? Mod's, please give me a short vacation? LOL.

    PS Perhaps a water spot on the case?

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That looks more like a scan. Scanners are notoriously bad for imaging coins.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,533 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The rims are not "squared off" enough in my opinion, nor is the detail really there for a Proof. Mis-labeled MS? ...I have been wrong before.

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  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019 12:55PM

    I circled 3 Areas on the image👇below that may warrant discussion of the OP’s following quoted post — based solely on the image provided for discussion purposes:

    1) Obvious Larger Spot of some Foreign Substance Residue
    2) More Subtle Possible Smaller Spot which may have been caused by Foreign Substance Residue
    3) Area adjacent to Crack in Slab which may have Preferentially Toned due to it’s proximity to the crack

    Any other thoughts, observations or conclusions? 🧐

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    Take a look at this picture of the obverse of a slabbed proof-65 1916 buffalo nickel (600 struck). Any comments?


    Stuart

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hate guessing games. If you have a question, ask it.

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Awful lighting to assess surface quality. Show me the reverse. @CaptHenway and I take turns explaining the diagnostics for all Type II proof Buffalos 1913-1917 :#

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My visual appraisal of the photograph, is, it does not look like a PR65... IMHO....Cheers, RickO

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    Take a look at this picture of the obverse of a slabbed proof-65 1916 buffalo nickel (600 struck). Any comments?

    Slab looks defective

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2019 9:10AM

    To the OP.. thanks for the trolling thread.

    Your slab has crappy plastic and lint, the gasket is slightly misaligned hiding rim edges, the braid is soft, your lighting is off-center (shadow over LIBERTY) and it looks like a dipped-to-death piece of crap with whitish spots where copper staining and/or spotting formerly took root.

    Anyone who'd like to say anything nicer feel free to chime in.

    If the OP has not had a family emergency, he's watching this thread. And he knows how incredibly simple it is to verify proofs of this date.

    To withhold this information is adorably cute :s in an aggressively passive-aggressive way >:)

    Thank you for failing to add anything of merit to anyone's knowledge base. :s

    @ChrisH821 - There is no clashing diagnostic for this reverse. (EPU=EPL?). Disabuse yourself of that idea.

    Each and every satin proof Type 2 Buffalo 5c, and no business strikes whatsoever, has been struck from identical reverse dies.

    1) Mint-made perfectly straight scratch-like depression on the flat part of the internal edge of the rim from maybe 6:45 to 7:30. Once you note this it will stick out like a sore-thumb for eternity
    2) Triangular backwards-pointing die chip located at top of bar of "D" of "UNITED"

    Someone should picture-fy this.
    Again !

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,676 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2019 10:51AM

    Well, since the OP has bounced, the coin in question is currently for sale here:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1916-matte-proof-Buffalo-nickel-PCGS-PR-66-high-grade-proof-beautiful-coin/202674157345?hash=item2f30523721:g:dnwAAOSw4A9cnT61

    @ColonelJessup the reason I asked about the die clash was due to what appears to be field die polish, below the jaw and in front of the forehead and up, which I wouldn't think is diagnostic of a proof. I haven't seen any with E Pluribus Unum clashed- as many circulation strikes are, but I don't generally shop for Proofs. This was before I took the <2 minutes to check ebay for this coin.

    I now realize that what I saw was the shadow of the insert, not field die polish

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2019 11:22AM

    Check out HA archives for close-ups. One page of PR66 Type 2 reverses and you'll be locked-in for life. :p

    You can pick off your friends !!!!!! :#

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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ColonelJessup said:
    To the OP.. thanks for the trolling thread.

    Your slab has crappy plastic and lint, the gasket is slightly misaligned hiding rim edges, the braid is soft, your lighting is off-center (shadow over LIBERTY) and it looks like a dipped-to-death piece of crap with whitish spots where copper staining and/or spotting formerly took root.

    Anyone who'd like to say anything nicer feel free to chime in.

    I doubt even I could be more diplomatic. :D

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That was softened by a caveat from @MFeld. I didn't actually like it as much as it might have sounded :p

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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Silver tongued devils confound me regularly. :'(

  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ColonelJessup said:
    That was softened by a caveat from @MFeld. I didn't actually like it as much as it might have sounded :p

    Sorry I ever started this thread.

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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But then again!


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    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    nice, a thread that went off the rails and a post that makes me think someone hijacked the Colonel's account. what more can we ask for except some sort of explanation by the OP as to what the thread is all about??

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2019 1:45PM

    No hijacked account.
    Lately this member likes to start "what do you think about this" threads.
    It's not his coin and it's for sale by someone else. And it's usually funkoid.
    Is this a proof?
    Is he warning us of something?

    What is his purpose in posting if not to provoke negativity? >:)
    As suggested previously, effectively a trolling thread. He got ME
    Otherwise, nothing to see here, folks :#

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ColonelJessup said:
    No hijacked account.
    Lately this member likes to start "what do you think about this" threads.
    It's not his coin and it's for sale by someone else. And it's usually funkoid.
    Is this a proof?
    Is he warning us of something?

    What is his purpose in posting if not to provoke negativity? >:)
    As suggested previously, effectively a trolling thread. He got ME
    Otherwise, nothing to see here, folks :#

    Funkoid.

    New word? I like it a lot. In a funked-up way.

    Pete

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail

    Is it your coin?

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    nice nickel and looks like water spot on coin or slab.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    @BuffaloIronTail

    Is it your coin?

    Nope

    Pete

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