Would you want this graded MS67 buffalo nickel in your 1913- 1938 date set?

BUFFNIXX

Lets say you were working to build a graded ms67 date set of buffalo nickels from 1913 to 1938. You walk into your local
dealer’s shop and he says “I finally got one of those high graded monsters you want”. He shows you this coin, which is slabbed
-- what would you say?

Connecticoin

Did those spots appear after the coin was holdered? Would be interesting if there was a trueview.

braddick

Color? YES!
Carbon? no. . .

ChrisH821

@Connecticoin said:
Did those spots appear after the coin was holdered? Would be interesting if there was a trueview.

Those pics look an awful lot like a trueview. I'm betting they are

smokincoin

I would say... "How much?"

ChrisH821

I think for the extra $5k I'd want one without the spots, although they aren't all that distracting.

Stuart

@BuffNixx. I would say that I SPOT something wrong with this coin that bothers me!! 🤣😂

Insider2

Those spots will probably come off (conservation) w/o a trace. However, making the colored surface uniform would be considered "coin doctoring!"

MFeld

I’d say “If I’m going to buy an MS67 1916 with spots like that, I want it to be a DDO.”😉

BUFFNIXX

@smokincoin said:
I would say... "How much?"

The seller wants $6,000 for it.
You could get a real nice PR66 for that money! (And one without a multitude of carbon spots.)

BUFFNIXX

Has nice machine doubling on the date so guess it could be called “1916/1916”.
That’s a nice bonus. Guess you could also call it a “poor man’s doubled die” like the so-called 1955/5 cent!

Even with the little flock of obverse spots it is a beautiful coin. I guess ultimately the price goes a long way to
determining its desirability.

BryceM

“Thanks, but not for me.”

I’d never be able to unsee those spots....... and when you ever try to sell it they’ll be 6 inches across and have eaten almost through to the other side of the slab. That’s what I always hear anyhow......

Coinosaurus

The spots are killing me, though everything else looks all there.

Smudge

Those spots would bother you as long as you owned the coin. Great Buff otherwise.

BuffaloIronTail

I like it, but I don't like it for what it's supposed to be.

There are better 67's out there.

Pete

cameonut2011

I prefer my Indians without small pox.

cameonut2011

@Insider2 said:
Those spots will probably come off (conservation) w/o a trace. However, making the colored surface uniform would be considered "coin doctoring!"

This hobby is so quirky. So many people are okay with chemically treating coins (i.e. dip/Ezest, MS70, Blueribbon, etc.), but then condemn other enhancements. It's a bit hypocritical. If you can remove the spots without a trace and without damaging the coin, I say go for it! Cheers!

leothelyon

But someone will buy it. There are hundreds out there who would. And each will thoink they really have a great coin and there's nothing wrong with that. The field gets a little thinner in ones pursuit for a higher quality example. And there's nothing wrong with that either.

Leo

Hemispherical

There was an episode of Dr. Pimplepopper that involved a similar location on the head.

In this case, do not think a surgical knife and a squeeze will work.

BUFFNIXX

@cameonut2011 said:

@Insider2 said:
Those spots will probably come off (conservation) w/o a trace. However, making the colored surface uniform would be considered "coin doctoring!"

This hobby is so quirky. So many people are okay with chemically treating coins (i.e. dip/Ezest, MS70, Blueribbon, etc.), but then condemn other enhancements. It's a bit hypocritical. If you can remove the spots without a trace and without damaging the coin, I say go for it! Cheers!

But who would be willing to buy this one for crack-out and "conservation”? Very very few would.

giorgio11

"run Spot run"!

calgolddiver

I would expect no spots at this quality level for the investment required. Lots of other examples available ... pass

Cougar1978

No. I would want one more affordable in the64-66 range no spots. Who would pay 67 money for that?

291fifth

67's don't have spots. If "conservation" is needed it is a problem coin and problem coins should be avoided.

ChrisH821

$6k is PCGS price guide.
This one recently sold for a little over half that.
https://coins.ha.com/itm/buffalo-nickels/nickels/1916-5c-ms67-pcgs-gold-shield/a/1292-3541.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
Somehow this gold shield holdered coin does not have a trueview?... https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36612861

If I was looking to spend that kind of money I'd try to find a nice 66 or 66+.

ricko

A nice Buff... but the spots would be an eternal distraction for me.... and if sent for conservation, there is no guarantee it will keep the grade....I would pass. Cheers, RickO

DIMEMAN

Pass.

cameonut2011

@BUFFNIXX said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@Insider2 said:
Those spots will probably come off (conservation) w/o a trace. However, making the colored surface uniform would be considered "coin doctoring!"

This hobby is so quirky. So many people are okay with chemically treating coins (i.e. dip/Ezest, MS70, Blueribbon, etc.), but then condemn other enhancements. It's a bit hypocritical. If you can remove the spots without a trace and without damaging the coin, I say go for it! Cheers!

But who would be willing to buy this one for crack-out and "conservation”? Very very few would.

Maybe Skip. Didn't he want to dip the "supernova?" I think he always enjoys a good challenge.
@insider2

Insider2

@cameonut2011 said:

@BUFFNIXX said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@Insider2 said:
Those spots will probably come off (conservation) w/o a trace. However, making the colored surface uniform would be considered "coin doctoring!"

This hobby is so quirky. So many people are okay with chemically treating coins (i.e. dip/Ezest, MS70, Blueribbon, etc.), but then condemn other enhancements. It's a bit hypocritical. If you can remove the spots without a trace and without damaging the coin, I say go for it! Cheers!

But who would be willing to buy this one for crack-out and "conservation”? Very very few would.

Maybe Skip. Didn't he want to dip the "supernova?" I think he always enjoys a good challenge.
@insider2

No. I would leave the $20 just as is. Any treatment would lower its value and totally removing the color would possibly drop it three grade points. Conservation is a fun and time-consuming challenge and usually very successful if you pick your "patients" (stamp authenticator term) carefully. I've been working on a seated dime on-and-off for several weeks but it is being saved for posterity. I wish I were allowed to post some before and after images.

cameonut2011

@Insider2 said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@BUFFNIXX said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@Insider2 said:
Those spots will probably come off (conservation) w/o a trace. However, making the colored surface uniform would be considered "coin doctoring!"

This hobby is so quirky. So many people are okay with chemically treating coins (i.e. dip/Ezest, MS70, Blueribbon, etc.), but then condemn other enhancements. It's a bit hypocritical. If you can remove the spots without a trace and without damaging the coin, I say go for it! Cheers!

But who would be willing to buy this one for crack-out and "conservation”? Very very few would.

Maybe Skip. Didn't he want to dip the "supernova?" I think he always enjoys a good challenge.
@insider2

No. I would leave the $20 just as is. Any treatment would lower its value and totally removing the color would possibly drop it three grade points. Conservation is a fun and time-consuming challenge and usually very successful if you pick your "patients" (stamp authenticator term) carefully. I've been working on a seated dime on-and-off for several weeks but it is being saved for posterity. I wish I were allowed to post some before and after images.

I would love to see the dime. Any chance you could share by PM? I always love seeing what can be done.

It looks like you finally have revealed your true thoughts about the "Supernova." It sounds like you think it was color bumped 2-3 points and/or is over graded. I concur with the latter.

Insider2

My thoughts on the "Golden Egg" were revealed between the lines. It is a technically overgraded coin with a unique color that obviously made it correctly graded as an MS-67 and worth $280K to someone.
I don't have the knowledge or skill to play in that rarified air of grading!

As for the dime I'm cleaning...I never took before images (I really should have). The owner thought it was a total loss! It came from a famous auction (graded AU) and was improperly stored for over a decade after he bought it leaving ugly black patches of ED. I thought it was a total loss too but he begged us to conserve it as anything we did would improve the eye appeal. I have not finished it yet as it was soaking in a solution for several weeks before I started. It is one of those unexpected things that happen when conserving something because often a coin cannot be saved or sometimes what looks like an easy conservation just "blows up!" This one is going to come out very nice.

I've been advised not to post before/after images of my work. However, I probably am allowed to write about the methods we use to conserve coins but that is not usually done past the basics. I believe Brian Silliman discusses conservation in the ANA course he gives around the country. Additionally, I'm sure the experts at PCGS could do the same level of conservation.

I will add this: There is a lot that goes into properly cleaning a coin so that it is not obviously detracting. Dipping it in acid is the final step When it is done at all!

EDIT: Just wasted time. I see you wanted a PM! No before image so all you'll see when finished is a nice
AU-58 dime.

Walkerfan

No thanks.

jabba

I don’t think that coin meets the standard your talking about