@doubledragon said:
Everybody is going to have their own opinion. If Harold Baines gets in, I say Kingman gets the green light. Fred McGriff should get in also. Johnny Bench's numbers weren't that much better than Kingman's, and he got in. Bench had 389 HRs, a .267 batting average, and 500 more hits. Those numbers aren't that much better than Kingman's.
Dave Kingman was consistent throughout his career. He was having 30+ home run seasons at the beginning of his career, and at the end of his career. If he had not hung it up, and had played a few more seasons, he would be in the 500 HR club. He was consistent. It is also a disgrace that Fred McGriff has fallen off the ballot. I don't know what has happened to the Hall of Fame. They let Jeff Bagwell in, but not Dave Kingman and Fred McGriff.
@doubledragon Sorry. Not enough tools in the toolbox. A player that is good at only one aspect of the game shouldn't be in the hall despite others that may have gotten in by some mistake.
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Dave Kingman was consistent throughout his career. He was having 30+ home run seasons at the beginning of his career, and at the end of his career. If he had not hung it up, and had played a few more seasons, he would be in the 500 HR club. He was consistent. It is also a disgrace that Fred McGriff has fallen off the ballot. I don't know what has happened to the Hall of Fame. They let Jeff Bagwell in, but not Dave Kingman and Fred McGriff.
Key word “IF.” Couldn’t we say that about almost any player? “If he had played longer he would have accumulated more stats.” Sorry, we disagree on 2 out of 3. IMO, Kingman is definitely not a HOFer and Bagwell definitely is. I do wish McGriff received more respect from voters though.
I will just say, I think Dave Kingman should be in the Hall of Fame based on consistently putting up big home run numbers year after year after year. He got better as time went on, and he was a one of the most feared hitters all throughout his era of playing. He gained fame with his ability to crush the ball. When he went to bat, fans who had to pee, held it in to watch him hit. This thread should now self destruct.😉
Everyone has opinions. I think JT Realmuto should be in the HOF. He just stole a base. How many catchers have ever stolen a base? Not many. And if any have, then they're probably in the Hof, too. This guy stole a base. So he should be in. He also hit a home run last night. How many catchers hit home runs last night? Maybe a few, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he is a sure-fire HOFer. Because he is. A HOFer. Well, not yet, literally. Just figuratively, for now. And he steals bases. Yogi Berra never stole a base. And he's in. Ok, maybe that's a lie. Not about being in the HOF, because of course he's in the HOF. But he probably did steal a base or two. But not like JT Realmuto. Now there's a catcher who steals bases. Why is Yogi in, but not Realmuto? In 19 years, Yogi only stole 30 bases. JT has stolen 32 bases in 6 years. He's a catcher. So was Yogi. Both should be in the HOF, especially because Realmuto has more stolen bases.
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@doubledragon said:
1.Seven seasons of 30+ homer runs.
2.Six seasons of 20+ home runs.
1210 driven in.
That's consistency. Yeah, his batting average was only .236, but Dave Kingman was one of the most feared hitters during his era, and he was a threat EVERY TIME, he stepped up to the plate. Everybody knew who Dave Kingman was, and what he might do when he stepped into the batters box.
This is true.
He is NOT a HOFer, never will be, and doesn't "deserve" to be.
He was a really good slugger though.
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Anyone growing up watching baseball in the 70s-early 80s knows Dave Kingman wasn’t a hall of fame player. You can look at his paper stats now and argue about it, but outside of his power, he sucked. Period
The next level just said it perfectly! Some people just don’t know what they don’t know. There is probably 500 player that would go in before kingman! He is in no way a HOFer! Period. This thread is starting to have some good comedy though
@VintagemanEd said:
The next level just said it perfectly! Some people just don’t know what they don’t know. There is probably 500 player that would go in before kingman! He is in no way a HOFer! Period. This thread is starting to have some good comedy though
Now if playing for 4 teams in a season counts, Kingman is a shoe-in.
I'm not sure Dave Kingman has enough "career war" to be a candidate for president. Besides, if this player, who was much better than Kingman, can't get in, then no way should Kingman even be considered.
@doubledragon said:
Bagwell admitted to using androstenedione, an anabolic steroid early in his career.
Andro is not an anabolic steroid, although it shares some basic similarities in that it increases testosterone and makes you stronger. It also wasn’t illegal in baseball in 1998 when he took it. McGwire isn’t kept out of the Hall because he took Andro. He’s out because of all the other banned substances he admits taking.
So again, I don’t “know” that Bagwell took “steroids,” neither do you, and we’re part of “everybody.”
Go to rxlist.com. Read what it says about andro. It has been classified as an anabolic steroid. It is also a schedule III controlled substance. It was classified as an anabolic steroid in January 2005.
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Go to rxlist.com. Read what it says about andro. It has been classified as an anabolic steroid. It is also a schedule III controlled substance. It was classified as an anabolic steroid in January 2005.
My apologies. WebMD confirms too. When I’m wrong, I’ll admit it.
@MLBdays said: @daltex .... Buddy Bell was a solid player, good character guy and probably a church goer but his numbers are not HOF material. ....IMO.
Oh, mine either. IMO he's roughly comparable to Sal Bando or Ken Boyer. Just saying there are a lot worse players in the HoF, and if McGwire went in, he'd be one of them.
I think players throughout history have taken substances to help them get ahead. Most of them, likely, but probably not all. I don't throw a fit about Mike Piazza being in the HoF. Gaylord Perry might be a different story.
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Go to rxlist.com. Read what it says about andro. It has been classified as an anabolic steroid. It is also a schedule III controlled substance. It was classified as an anabolic steroid in January 2005.
My apologies. WebMD confirms too. When I’m wrong, I’ll admit it.
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@markj111 said:
Buddy Bell is on Bill James’ list of the 25 best position players not in HOF (excluding gamblers and roiders),
When was this list written? That is, were there any people on it who have since been enshrined?
It was in the 2019 Bill James Handbook. From memory, Bill Dahlen, Lou Whitaker, and Ted Simmons were the top three. Bell was about 20th. Others on the list were Grich, Will Clark, Olerud, Willie Davis,McGriff, Darrell Evans, Dick Allen, Reggie Smith, Dwight Evans, Willie Randolph, and Reggie Smith. Edgar Martinez was on it, and was elected. He was 11th on the list (I think).
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Dave Kingman was consistent throughout his career. He was having 30+ home run seasons at the beginning of his career, and at the end of his career. If he had not hung it up, and had played a few more seasons, he would be in the 500 HR club. He was consistent. It is also a disgrace that Fred McGriff has fallen off the ballot. I don't know what has happened to the Hall of Fame. They let Jeff Bagwell in, but not Dave Kingman and Fred McGriff.
@doubledragon Sorry. Not enough tools in the toolbox. A player that is good at only one aspect of the game shouldn't be in the hall despite others that may have gotten in by some mistake.
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In my opinion, players that consistently hit home runs throughout their entire career as much as Kingman did, deserve a spot in the Hall of Fame.
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Key word “IF.” Couldn’t we say that about almost any player? “If he had played longer he would have accumulated more stats.” Sorry, we disagree on 2 out of 3. IMO, Kingman is definitely not a HOFer and Bagwell definitely is. I do wish McGriff received more respect from voters though.
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I will just say, I think Dave Kingman should be in the Hall of Fame based on consistently putting up big home run numbers year after year after year. He got better as time went on, and he was a one of the most feared hitters all throughout his era of playing. He gained fame with his ability to crush the ball. When he went to bat, fans who had to pee, held it in to watch him hit. This thread should now self destruct.😉
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Everyone has opinions. I think JT Realmuto should be in the HOF. He just stole a base. How many catchers have ever stolen a base? Not many. And if any have, then they're probably in the Hof, too. This guy stole a base. So he should be in. He also hit a home run last night. How many catchers hit home runs last night? Maybe a few, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he is a sure-fire HOFer. Because he is. A HOFer. Well, not yet, literally. Just figuratively, for now. And he steals bases. Yogi Berra never stole a base. And he's in. Ok, maybe that's a lie. Not about being in the HOF, because of course he's in the HOF. But he probably did steal a base or two. But not like JT Realmuto. Now there's a catcher who steals bases. Why is Yogi in, but not Realmuto? In 19 years, Yogi only stole 30 bases. JT has stolen 32 bases in 6 years. He's a catcher. So was Yogi. Both should be in the HOF, especially because Realmuto has more stolen bases.
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This is true.
He is NOT a HOFer, never will be, and doesn't "deserve" to be.
He was a really good slugger though.
Dave Kingman had more career steals than Stan Musial. If Dave Kingman does not get in the Hall neither should Stan.
I bet we could name 100 players far more deserving than Kingman. In my opinion he has zero % chance.
Add Boog Powell to the above list,
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If Dave Kingman should be in the hall of fame then Darrell Evans should have his own wing there.
Dave Kingman for president.
Anyone growing up watching baseball in the 70s-early 80s knows Dave Kingman wasn’t a hall of fame player. You can look at his paper stats now and argue about it, but outside of his power, he sucked. Period
The next level just said it perfectly! Some people just don’t know what they don’t know. There is probably 500 player that would go in before kingman! He is in no way a HOFer! Period. This thread is starting to have some good comedy though
Now if playing for 4 teams in a season counts, Kingman is a shoe-in.
Ron Kittle, George Foster, Greg Luzinski, Chris Chambliss, and Buddy Bell for HOF.
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Jack Clark is angry that you left him off that list.
And now Don Baylor is mad at me.
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Move over Mr. Trump....
Getting closer to closing the thread......
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I'm not sure Dave Kingman has enough "career war" to be a candidate for president. Besides, if this player, who was much better than Kingman, can't get in, then no way should Kingman even be considered.
The greatest that ever did it.....
Bell actually has a decent case.
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I agree. Not good enough, IMO, and not even best at his position who's not in yet, but far better than the recent Veteran's Committee picks.
What about Mark "Huge Mac" McGwire? Should he be let in someday? Everybody knows Jeff Bagwell used steroids, and he got in.
“Everybody” does not “know” that, actually.
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Bagwell admitted to his use of androstenedione , an anabolic steroid, early in his career.
Andro is not an anabolic steroid, although it shares some basic similarities in that it increases testosterone and makes you stronger. It also wasn’t illegal in baseball in 1998 when he took it. McGwire isn’t kept out of the Hall because he took Andro. He’s out because of all the other banned substances he admits taking.
So again, I don’t “know” that Bagwell took “steroids,” neither do you, and we’re part of “everybody.”
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Go to rxlist.com. Read what it says about andro. It has been classified as an anabolic steroid. It is also a schedule III controlled substance. It was classified as an anabolic steroid in January 2005.
My apologies. WebMD confirms too. When I’m wrong, I’ll admit it.
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If Dave Kingman did steroids he would have 100,000 home runs.
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Just look what steroids can do to you..... This is Mark McGwire in 1998......
This is Mark McGwire today......
Totally agree! Everyone would have been none the wiser.
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Good player. No Jeff Bagwell. It wouldn't be a disaster to put him in, but Buddy Bell is more deserving.
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Oh, mine either. IMO he's roughly comparable to Sal Bando or Ken Boyer. Just saying there are a lot worse players in the HoF, and if McGwire went in, he'd be one of them.
I think players throughout history have taken substances to help them get ahead. Most of them, likely, but probably not all. I don't throw a fit about Mike Piazza being in the HoF. Gaylord Perry might be a different story.
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can’t wait to see Mike Trout comparison after he hits .250 lol
Buddy Bell is on Bill James’ list of the 25 best position players not in HOF (excluding gamblers and roiders),
When was this list written? That is, were there any people on it who have since been enshrined?
It was in the 2019 Bill James Handbook. From memory, Bill Dahlen, Lou Whitaker, and Ted Simmons were the top three. Bell was about 20th. Others on the list were Grich, Will Clark, Olerud, Willie Davis,McGriff, Darrell Evans, Dick Allen, Reggie Smith, Dwight Evans, Willie Randolph, and Reggie Smith. Edgar Martinez was on it, and was elected. He was 11th on the list (I think).
Another sad example of what steroids can do to a player.....
Barry Bonds in 2007.....
Barry Bonds today.......