Peace Dollar: Machine Doubling or Doubled Die? And VAM Attribution please

jerseycat101

There appears to be significant doubling on forehead, nose, chin and neck.

jmlanzaf

Quite possibly fake

ACop

That might be an illusion caused by frost break and marks. I often get stuck looking at some P$ on ebay because I think I see the same thing. I think I have a thread on here about 1 such one.

RogerB

There are 1921s with similar mechanical doubling.

ACop

This one is now looking like doubling to me because of the 1. The neck also looks more doubled than the ones i had seen.

Insider2

@jmlanzaf said: "Quite possibly fake."

The OP posted a serious question.

koynekwest

Machine doubling IMO. Were this a true doubled die it would show doubling in other areas, such as the inside of the nostril than just the profile and front of the neck.

gtstang

Most definitely machine doubling. Here's one in pcgs 64 that recently sold for reference.
https://ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-One-PCGS-Certified-MS64-1922-Peace-Silver-Dollar-Coin-/362620872687?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true

jmlanzaf

@Insider2 said:
@jmlanzaf said: "Quite possibly fake."

The OP posted a serious question.

As was my answer. The doubling on the bust on my phone looked a bit rounded.

BryceM

Nice frost on that coin.

Peace_dollar88

here is a 1921 I use to own with machine doubling that @rogerb mentioned above.

Insider2

@jmlanzaf said:

@Insider2 said:
@jmlanzaf said: "Quite possibly fake."

The OP posted a serious question.

As was my answer. The doubling on the bust on my phone looked a bit rounded.

I was really hoping you were making a bad joke about this coin possibly being a counterfeit.

jmlanzaf

@Insider2 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Insider2 said:
@jmlanzaf said: "Quite possibly fake."

The OP posted a serious question.

As was my answer. The doubling on the bust on my phone looked a bit rounded.

I was really hoping you were making a bad joke about this coin possibly being a counterfeit.

I've become highly suspicious of any doubling as it could be laser chatter. In the case of that coin, I don't think it is as uniform across the face as I would expect if it were a laser cut die. So I retract my earlier suggestion. But earlier, looking on my phone at the smaller picture, it was hard to tell.

Insider2

Hopefully, you'll take some time to educate all of us about "laser chatter." Machine doubling is very common on all of our coins. I'd like to see how they compare.

dcarr

Genuine, "machine doubling".
Looks like a nice coin, although the pencil eraser rub across the "E" of LIBERTY is going to negate a high grade.

koynekwest

Here is a Peace dollar that has a similar appearance but it is a true hub-doubled coin, 1934-D VAM 3.

jerseycat101

@dcarr said:
Genuine, "machine doubling".
Looks like a nice coin, although the pencil eraser rub across the "E" of LIBERTY is going to negate a high grade.

Correct... it is in a details holder. I suspected machine doubling, but I might grab it anyway as a curiosity piece. Thanks everyone!

RogerB

The 1921s mentioned above make interesting conversation pieces and usually draw several collectors curiosity at club meetings.

ACop

Heres another Vam 3 34-D

jerseycat101

@ACop said:
Heres another Vam 3 34-D

Great color!

ACop

I wish it was a vam 4. Adds 1500$ without color

ricko

I agree with machine doubling.... I have seen this before on Peace dollars....Cheers, RickO

messydesk

Late to the party, but the OP coin is strike doubled, showing a very common manifestation of it. In general, the best place to look on Peace dollars for actual doubled dies is the olive leaves on the reverse. Being the area of finest detail on the coin, it's easiest to see there. For 1928-S, there are several obverse dies with doubling on the right side, but it is not dramatic, like the 34-D VAMs 3 and 4.

RogerB

As an aside -- the 1934-D VAM 3 Peace dollar is the lowest priced, easily seen doubled die among all of the larger US coins. 1909/8 double eagle is also priced just a little above a normal 1909.