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Are this sellers toned coins all artificial? or just a killer collection?

Skrill90Skrill90 Posts: 264 ✭✭✭

I noticed he has a lot of raw toned coins with similar toning. Ive had toning like this come back as AT in the past.
They seem to be high end coins, or series you typically don't see
Either this is a killer collection that they haven't had a chance to submit or its not MA
I am tempted to purchase some, but getting back into the hobby, I don't want to get burned and would appreciate opinions from the more experienced members here.

This toned p$ first caught my eye
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1926-P-Peace-Dollar-1-GEM-BU-Silver-Coin-RAINBOW-TONED-BEAUTY-1583/223503327755?epid=170446093&hash=item3409d6220b:g:xxoAAOSwZcZczI9h

Then this Toned p$ that recently ended, with typical AT tell tale
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-P-Peace-Dollar-1-GEM-BU-Silver-Coin-STUNNING-TONED-BEAUTY-1566/223501250648?hash=item3409b67058:g:7gsAAOSwvC1cyg3q

Walking lib
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1945-S-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-GEM-BU-Silver-Coin-RAINBOW-TONED-RARE-1608/223502000119?hash=item3409c1dff7:g:CZEAAOSwLdJcyyXv

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1936-P-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-50C-GEM-BU-Silver-Coin-RAINBOW-TONED-1579/223501239557?hash=item3409b64505:g:Q5cAAOSwN6RcygoY

GEM 23s p$
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-S-Peace-Dollar-1-Superb-GEM-BU-Tough-DATE-Gorgeous-Rainbow-Toned-Coin-PL/223486334852?hash=item3408d2d784:g:M9YAAOSws7xct8QZ

Target toned Merc Dime
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1941-S-Mercury-Dime-10C-Superb-GEM-BU-Silver-Coin-Bullseye-RAINBOW-TONED-1190/223453481145?hash=item3406dd88b9:g:93sAAOSwqctckNZM

Blatant typical AT
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1942-S-Mercury-Dime-10C-GEM-BU-Silver-Coin-RARE-BEAUTY-RAINBOW-TONED-1331/223485045185?hash=item3408bf29c1:g:qrUAAOSwCrtctqPi

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-D-Washington-Quarter-25C-Superb-GEM-Silver-Coin-TYPE-C-RAINBOW-TONED-1332/223485042802?hash=item3408bf2072:g:YRIAAOSwlYNctqJV

Comments

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nothing reputable about that bunch.

  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The former.

    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • Skrill90Skrill90 Posts: 264 ✭✭✭

    @Ronyahski said:
    The former.

    What gives it away on these pieces?
    I am interested in purchasing toners, but don't want to get burned.

  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Better living through chemstry

    Member of the ANA since 1982
  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,767 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Skrill90 said:

    @Ronyahski said:
    The former.

    What gives it away on these pieces?
    I am interested in purchasing toners, but don't want to get burned.

    Then just don't buy raw coins that look like that.

  • Skrill90Skrill90 Posts: 264 ✭✭✭

    @Smudge said:

    @Skrill90 said:

    @Ronyahski said:
    The former.

    What gives it away on these pieces?
    I am interested in purchasing toners, but don't want to get burned.

    Then just don't buy raw coins that look like that

    I would like to see some upside on my collection over time, so I figure buying raw toners, then slabbing them would allow me some upside compared to buying already slabbed toners.
    Im pretty young and don't want to be holding a bag for 50 years lol

  • JasonGamingJasonGaming Posts: 928 ✭✭✭✭

    Just stick with graded coins right now then.

    Always buying nice toned coins! Searching for a low grade 1873 Arrows DDO Dime and 1842-O Small Date Quarter.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,767 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Skrill90 said:

    @Smudge said:

    @Skrill90 said:

    @Ronyahski said:
    The former.

    What gives it away on these pieces?
    I am interested in purchasing toners, but don't want to get burned.

    Then just don't buy raw coins that look like that

    I would like to see some upside on my collection over time, so I figure buying raw toners, then slabbing them would allow me some upside compared to buying already slabbed toners.
    Im pretty young and don't want to be holding a bag for 50 years lol

    It is a good thing you are young because if you want to buy no problem raw toners you have a rather steep learning curve to climb.

  • gtstanggtstang Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JasonGaming said:
    Just stick with graded coins right now then.

    There are bad toned coins in plastic out there. Many on Ebay. Learn what to look for. @Skrill90 Post a picture or question here and many members will respond quickly to you.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Other than blatant lies, falsified toning, rampant ignorance and complete disregard for common ethical values - nothing is wrong.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2019 7:35PM

    @Skrill90 said:

    @Smudge said:

    @Skrill90 said:

    @Ronyahski said:
    The former.

    What gives it away on these pieces?
    I am interested in purchasing toners, but don't want to get burned.

    Then just don't buy raw coins that look like that

    I would like to see some upside on my collection over time, so I figure buying raw toners, then slabbing them would allow me some upside compared to buying already slabbed toners.
    Im pretty young and don't want to be holding a bag for 50 years lol

    Unfortunately some sellers thrive on new or uninitiated collectors trying to do the exact same thing as you. For every person trying to take a short cut there are 5 people waiting in the bushes trying to relieve them of their money

    m

    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • jerseycat101jerseycat101 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hint: If you want to buy toners, avoid blue and brown toners. They're either AT or ugly. Many times both.

  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Skrill90 said:

    @Ronyahski said:
    The former.

    What gives it away on these pieces?
    I am interested in purchasing toners, but don't want to get burned.

    Hi . Many of these coins have the same unnatural pattern, silver to blue to maroon toning that is uneven, bubbly, edge only, and floating on the surface.

    That is great that you are getting back into the hobby. But that doesn't mean that you have to start off by buying up coins. If you want to start collecting toned coins, but are not experienced or not confident in what you are doing, there is nothing wrong with studying them for a while. Knowledge is the biggest component of collecting.

    If you want to buy now, keep it at a financial level where it wouldn't bother you if your purchase was a 100% mistake. In the meantime, I would suggest you look at as many toned coins that you can, online, in person at auctions, slabbed vs. not, and study the concept of thin film interference.

    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    Other than blatant lies, falsified toning, rampant ignorance and complete disregard for common ethical values - nothing is wrong.

    So basically, it's business as normal in this hobby then, huh?

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tarnish is a natural process on metals...particularly silver. As noted, however, the process can either be accelerated or duplicated through chemistry, temperature, humidity and other environmental factors. It is still tarnish...The tarnish that happens without intentional human intervention has become a valued feature among collectors, often commanding a premium price. Some pursue colorful tarnish even beyond the coin itself. Because of this potential profit, there are many artificial or accelerated tarnished coins on the market. Done well, it is indistinguishable from natural tarnish.... Though in many cases, it is obvious. I do not like tarnish. I like coins, and prefer them without environmental damage (tarnish). Cheers, RickO

  • Skrill90Skrill90 Posts: 264 ✭✭✭

    @Ronyahski said:

    @Skrill90 said:

    @Ronyahski said:
    The former.

    What gives it away on these pieces?
    I am interested in purchasing toners, but don't want to get burned.

    Hi . Many of these coins have the same unnatural pattern, silver to blue to maroon toning that is uneven, bubbly, edge only, and floating on the surface.

    That is great that you are getting back into the hobby. But that doesn't mean that you have to start off by buying up coins. If you want to start collecting toned coins, but are not experienced or not confident in what you are doing, there is nothing wrong with studying them for a while. Knowledge is the biggest component of collecting.

    If you want to buy now, keep it at a financial level where it wouldn't bother you if your purchase was a 100% mistake. In the meantime, I would suggest you look at as many toned coins that you can, online, in person at auctions, slabbed vs. not, and study the concept of thin film interference.

    Appreciate the advice, I will follow this. Also I do see how it is floating and bubbly, I will keep an eye out for that from now on.

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    this is a case of a few bad apples spoiling the whole bunch. the tone on a few of them looks OK but on others not so OK. seeing a bunch of coins with similar color and a similar pattern at the time by the same seller usually means that something's up and it ain't good. I believe that if this seller listed one coin and allowed it to sell that no one would say it was bad, maybe its look would be questioned by some but it would sell.

    as a group like this the truth becomes known.

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