SS CENTRAL AMERICA $10 JUSTH & HUNTER GOLD 49er Horseman PCGS 1857/0

coinsarefun · May 9, 2019 10:42AM

I have a few questions regarding this piece. I did some research through the forum and I guess years back when this came out
it didn't receive much love. I bought it because its gold, slightly above its worth in gold and.....I like the look
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Here's the description from an online retailer Old West Gold, out of Ohio. Didn't buy from them though.
The only thing I can disagree with is a restrike.
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"This solid gold proof coin is a restrike of the famous Forty-Niner Horseman. This was minted by the California Historical Society from 7 gold ingots recovered from the Ship of Gold, S.S. Central America, which sank September 12th, 1857. This proof gold coin is one of only 4006 issued by the California Historical Society. It was minted by the Royal Canadian Mint in 2002 and identified by the PCGS holder as coming from one of the gold bars recovered from the shipwreck. SS Central America gold items are very hard to come by. Here’s a chance to own a real part of shipwreck history as the gold it was minted from is the only gold that can be guaranteed from the gold mining fields in California"
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This is more info than I found searching the forum, so back to 2 my questions.
1) Can anyone add to this description, or say differently?
2) Even though graded by PCGS its a blanket label" Deep Cameo Proof" I would like to enter it into my registry
just to keep track of all my coins........ How do I find a line number to enter it?
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Images are below but severely scratched slab and surprisingly, very clean looking proof.
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ricko · May 9, 2019 10:47AM

I cannot answer your question, but I sure can appreciate that beautiful gold coin.... Thanks for showing us Stef. Cheers, RickO

291fifth · May 9, 2019 10:49AM

It is not a coin. It is a medal.

jwitten · May 9, 2019 10:52AM

I've been eyeballing these lately. Seems like a nice piece!

Hemispherical · May 9, 2019 11:05AM

@coinsarefun said:
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This is more info than I found searching the forum, so back to 2 my questions.
1) Can anyone add to this description, or say differently?
2) Even though graded by PCGS its a blanket label" Deep Cameo Proof" I would like to enter it into my registry
just to keep track of all my coins........ How do I find a line number to enter it?

Went searching for a slab since it should have the coin number. Found an old auction. No slab.

https://www.goldbergcoins.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/18/lot/42969/

The Bay had someone selling and here’s a couple slabs. Not sure if authentic or similar to yours.

coinsarefun · May 9, 2019 11:11AM

@Hemispherical , yes my slab looks like that and the number 4050. is the same but different last 3 numbers.
I think this denotes which bar it came from......I think
But I still don't find a cert number

Hemispherical · May 9, 2019 11:25AM

@coinsarefun said:
@Hemispherical , yes my slab looks like that and the number 4050. is the same but different last 3 numbers.
I think this denotes which bar it came from......I think
But I still don't find a cert number

Thought I had something, but... cannot find the coin. There is an ingot with a PCGS number.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/no-date-92-18-justh-hunter-ingot-5-24-oz/660449

Tried Cali Gold could not find a match or might have missed it.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/category/territorial/california-gold/849

Might need to submit what you have to establish a new PCGS number. I’m doing that now with a few South American Sols. Newer coins are not listed so I’ll be adding to the dB.

coinsarefun · May 9, 2019 3:19PM

Thanks again @Hemispherical I tried one more time searching PGCS and came up with this number but the PCGS number links refers to Pinch.
I guess I need to email them and ask. I wouldn't mind a trueview and cert number for my records.

gtstang · May 9, 2019 3:22PM

I don't know anything about it, but it def is appealing! Your photo work is exceptional.

Hemispherical · May 9, 2019 5:03PM

@coinsarefun said:
Thanks again @Hemispherical I tried one more time searching PGCS and came up with this number but the PCGS number links refers to Pinch.
I guess I need to email them and ask. I wouldn't mind a trueview and cert number for my records.

Maybe, this is it? If not, should help in convincing our host in establishing a new PCGS number for your coin as authentic with no grade.

I tried this in Coin Facts, 671486, the descriptor is “1857 Pinch Pinch of Gold S.S. Central America #2 (with Pinch) (Regular Strike)” which is a bit different from the other numbers that were searched because it listed a date of 1857 (https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1857-pinch-gold-s-central-america-2/671486)

At the link there was this:

AUCTION RECORD: $1,026 • PCGS Genuine • 03-15-2019 • eBay

Which is quite a bit for a pinch of Au.

Clicked on the link to see how big that pinch was and this is what’s there: “1857/0 49er Horseman $10 PCGS Deep Cameo Proof + Pinch SS Central America A6938” (https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/item/1857-pinch-gold-s-central-america-2/671486/-3410851782559312548)

Captured a pic and zoom:

Zoom of the above pic:

Hope this wasn’t too confusing and somewhat helps.

coinsarefun · May 9, 2019 5:19PM

Oooooo, sooooo cool @Hemispherical thanks so much again. Obviously I bought this second or third hand. Which is fine, no complaints. I think I will contact the guy I know at PCGS and ask him what can be done.
Thanks again for all the research

coinsarefun · May 9, 2019 8:51PM

I posted this on my Instagram and Facebook account and Ron Landis had this to say.
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Zoins · May 9, 2019 9:11PM

I have the following die trial from before the 7 overdate was done. On the reverse, it also has Ron's original "RCM 2002" inscription before it was replaced with the RCM Maple Leaf.

I'd love to have a TrueView of this too!

coinsarefun · May 9, 2019 9:16PM

OMG @Zoins ..........I’m so very jealous of that!

Paradisefound · May 9, 2019 10:32PM

Steph ...... good luck with your hunt! It is a beautiful one in any metal content

Lakesammman · May 10, 2019 4:32AM

Beautiful "coin" and a fun read - thanks for the info.

Hemispherical · May 10, 2019 5:23AM

@coinsarefun said:
I posted this on my Instagram and Facebook account and Ron Landis had this to say.
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Your going to have to keep this.

An idea... Type it out and ask Ron Landis to sign it.

Zoins · May 11, 2019 12:58PM

@Lakesammman said:
Beautiful "coin" and a fun read - thanks for the info.

Love the vaquero design. It's a California classic

I think it would be great to compare closeups of the various issues of these over the years.

Wil1858 · May 11, 2019 5:48PM

I’ve a few as I love the strike and provenance. I really think they are under appreciated. 😁

Zoins · May 11, 2019 9:35PM

@coinsarefun said:
OMG @Zoins ..........I’m so very jealous of that!

Glad you like it Stef! It's one of my favorites and I had to reach for it. I love the detail on the vaquero. Ron Landis really does some excellent work.

jwitten · May 30, 2019 6:29PM

Anyone know the size or weight of these? I am trying to see how much of a premium they are over gold right now.

NumisOxide · May 31, 2019 6:33PM

It’s a cool piece, I always liked those.

OriginalDan · May 31, 2019 7:54PM

Would love to own an original one day, but even at AU50 they are not affordable and by that point you've lost much of the neat design.

This modern re-creation captures the original design fairly well. I also like how different examples are of varying fineness.

johnny9434 · June 1, 2019 8:32AM

that would be a nice pick up for the collection

cccoins · December 24, 2019 8:48AM

If you look carefully under the Baldwin and co., you can see Justh and Hunter, along with the ingot number.

After looking at heritage auctions, I found the following ingot numbers were used:

.887 Justh and Hunter - All listed with a # before the number, not notation on the medal
.887 Justh and Hunter - 4293 - 106.08 oz.
.898 Justh and Hunter - 4258 - 197.26 oz.
.906 Justh and Hunter - 4050 - 715.85 oz.
.913 Justh and Hunter - 4220 - 676.22 oz.
.931 Justh and Hunter - 4330 - 185.88 oz.
.935 Justh and Hunter - 4282 - 266.88 oz.
.943 Justh and Hunter - 4328 - 255.25 oz.

I listed the weight shown in the S.S. Central America catalog.

Silver Die Trial - 50 made, need to examine one to see the reverse counter stamp
Pewter Die Trial - 12 made, need to examine one to see the reverse counter stamp

This would appear to make ten needed for a complete set.

Tazman4242 · December 31, 2019 10:15PM

I believe they all weighs 16.7 grams

Rarity · December 23, 2020 4:08PM

Very interesting info.
There are quite a few Baldwin Horseman gold coins at Libertycoin (link below).

https://www.libertycoin.com/product-p/usg-03815.htm

coinsarefun · December 23, 2020 5:02PM

I guess I never posted the rueview
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RYK · December 23, 2020 9:04PM

I am glad this was posted and bumped. I had forgotten that I had one of these tucked away, in the original box, in a place that could have been overlooked and forgotten. It is now residing in my safe, where it belongs!

Rarity · December 24, 2020 10:26AM

https://www.aucm.com/inventory/pioneer.html

Brass, Copper, white Metal, and Silver samples in choice uncirculated are selling in the $8000 range at AUCM ...

coinsarefun · December 24, 2020 10:33AM

@Rarity said:
https://www.aucm.com/inventory/pioneer.html

Brass, Copper, white Metal, and Silver samples in choice uncirculated are selling in the $8000 range at AUCM ...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk_GmhD053E

Walkerfan · December 25, 2020 9:15AM

Unique and beautiful gold piece that must be worth quite a bit more than it's gold value.

BearlyHere · December 25, 2020 9:20AM

I am giving a couple of these as Christmas gifts. Really for the story, not the gold.

https://www.govmint.com/ssca-51-60g-gold-nugget-ngc

SS CENTRAL AMERICA $10 JUSTH & HUNTER GOLD 49er Horseman PCGS 1857/0

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