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*** Old thread updated *** Please share your favorite Details or problem coin.

BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 7, 2024 7:11PM in U.S. Coin Forum

In a recent thread, @Walkerguy21D posted a nice Seated Half possessed of both a nice look and unfortunate hairlines.

I suppose I have two favorite "problem" coins. Each has been submitted twice and each has come back the same way from the graders twice. To be precise, one is in a straight-graded holder at a grade that is vastly below what I and at least three dealers expected. Maybe it's a slider but I can't see it.

The other is this beautiful coin which I stole away from @lkeigwin a few years ago. Can anyone guess what the graders said about it?

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Please share your examples.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2019 9:55PM

    Here's a 1831 Capped Bust Half. I've looked for CBHs for a while and have found 2 problem free ones that I liked, but never sprung for those. Will have to next time.

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 5, 2019 4:49AM

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,691 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Guess everyone here collects only problem-free coin. ;)

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭✭✭


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  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 5, 2019 1:49PM

    @BryceM said:
    Guess everyone here collects only problem-free coin. ;)

    Not everyone! I’m building a dansco type set with problem coins that still look good (at least to me :D ).

    Here are two examples:
    (AU and VF details respectively)

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are two AT examples that I liked (I no longer have the Peace Dollar).



  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "The detriment of a defect decreases as the square of the rarity increases."

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hemispherical - that coin looks nearly "as struck." Should be MS-70.... :)

  • kbbpllkbbpll Posts: 542 ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 5, 2019 3:01PM


    (What's with the "moderator approval" bug?)

  • savitalesavitale Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BryceM said:
    In a recent thread, @Walkerguy21D posted a nice Seated Half possessed of both a nice look and unfortunate hairlines.

    I suppose I have two favorite "problem" coins. Each has been submitted twice and each has come back the same way from the graders twice. To be precise, one is in a straight-graded holder at a grade that is vastly below what I and at least three dealers expected. Maybe it's a slider but I can't see it.

    The other is this beautiful coin which I stole away from @lkeigwin a few years ago. Can anyone guess what the graders said about it?

    image
    image

    Please share your examples.

    That’s a beautiful Peace Dollar. What didn’t they like about it?

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,073 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 5, 2019 3:21PM

    Great thread!
    I guess we at times get caught up in quest for perfect coins, or are embarrassed (at least here) to post
    our problem coins.

    That 21 Peace dollar has a tremendous strike, but the luster seems strangely flat. I'd guess it was cleaned or
    has altered surfaces?

    Like Billjones, I have a number of early copper coins (large cents) that are either in genny holders, or would be if submitted. I don't have any of my Lib Caps or Wreath cents photographed, but here are a few others.

    This first coin was purchased from one of the major EAC dealers, and bbagged at both services.

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2019 4:38PM

    @lkeigwin Yeah, I sent it in once. It came back *.92, cleaned. While I think something light once happened to the surfaces, it’s certainly a very close call. It would not surprise me at all to see it in a straight-grade holder someday. A couple more years in the brown envelope would probably do it. ;) I’ve looked it over quite carefully and there aren’t any focal defects like rim issues, hairlines, or evidence of metal movement. Perhaps the down of a newly hatched snow owl once lightly fluttered over the coin.

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭✭✭


    http://ha.com/1231*5304

    @ColonelJessup said:
    If anyone can load a picture of HA 1231-5304, it's the Parmelee 1792 Silver Disme (3 known) which @DrDuck, @MrEureka and I bought in a Stacks sale in 2000 at $103,500. Sold by Bob Simpson HA 1/16 at $329K.

    One of the coolest coins I've owned. Described as "smoothed, polished, remnants of an old inscription" .
    My notes
    "FUBAR
    135 (in auction code)
    must I?"

  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This Small Stars has a lot going for her.... and some going against her.
    But I still like this coin.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • jgennjgenn Posts: 734 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1614 8 reales, Segovia (aqueduct mintmark), ex Huntington collection.

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,627 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a few, this bust half has an unfortunate rim bruise and has been subjected to a cleaning or two in its life, now sitting in my 7070 album. I also have a couple of Lincolns that I was fooled on but no pics of those right now.


    And I have a seated qtr in an old ANACS holder with a few issues.


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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2019 9:34PM

    Lots of CBH coins in this category. Too bad. They're beautiful coins anyhow. :)

    The disme..... we'll that's just too cool.

    Early copper is one area that I don't judge as harshly when it comes to a light cleaning or a bit of planchet erosion. Some of them weren't all that great when minted.

  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1921 Peace Dollar


    1876-S Trade Dollar



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  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just purchased this off of eBay to lick my wounds and fill a pesky Dansco hole after being the underbidder for a 57-S in EF40 a few weeks ago.


    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • Bob13Bob13 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Scratched... I get it. But still a nice coin...

    My current "Box of 20"

  • PennyGuyPennyGuy Posts: 143 ✭✭✭

    One of my favorite store cards. It’s a R-10 so being improperly cleaned doesn’t bother me.

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  • 2ltdjorn2ltdjorn Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭

    I have a holed 1955 double die I like very much, got to find photos.

    WTB... errors, New Orleans gold, and circulated 20th key date coins!
  • maplemanmapleman Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 4, 2019 5:31AM

    @BryceM said:
    In a recent thread, @Walkerguy21D posted a nice Seated Half possessed of both a nice look and unfortunate hairlines.

    I suppose I have two favorite "problem" coins. Each has been submitted twice and each has come back the same way from the graders twice. To be precise, one is in a straight-graded holder at a grade that is vastly below what I and at least three dealers expected. Maybe it's a slider but I can't see it.

    The other is this beautiful coin which I stole away from @lkeigwin a few years ago. Can anyone guess what the graders said about it?

    image
    image

    Please share your examples.

    One great strike IMO.
    I'd like to see it in hand.
    I would hope it wasn't details cleand. If not it's gotta be above 65 is my guess.

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭✭✭


    old anacs holder, rev. graffiti; lightened the images so you can see the marks under the right wing.. barely.

  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This 1874-P Trade $ was most likely bagged for the drill test mark and might grade if resubmitted. Notice how the word surface is misspelled.

    Trade $'s
  • CircCamCircCam Posts: 206 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 4, 2019 9:32AM


    Bought in the ANACS slab, cracked for a Dansco, submitted to PCGS figuring they might call it ED.

    I turned down a straight trade for the same coin in MS65 when it was in the ANACS slab, and I’ll never get a better offer than that for it anyway regardless of what slab it’s in. Love the coin... that trade offer sure was a test of my inner collector, though admittedly it was not an attractive 65.

  • PickwickjrPickwickjr Posts: 555 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Picked this unattributed from an auction than cracked it out. Sent it to NGC to get it in a holder.

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Damn, i get so much mileage out if this one little silver coin the size of my pinkie fingernail..

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  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ust one?
    Reasearch has dried up, and so too has this,36 S cent. Notice below LIBERTY. ...(of) ?
    In a font, called Pristina. I'd show it but do not have it in my type faces.
    Can't clean it, rub it or, even cuddle it.
    I'm Stuck..!

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,691 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For the record, the coin in my first post is no longer a problem coin. It apparently changed, and now resides in an NGC MS64 holder. ;)

    I find all of this amusing. I'm sure some will find the inconsistency appalling, and I'm sure some will imagine that this is evidence of the superiority of one TPG over another. I think it's a "tweener" with the look of an MS65 and some slight issue (perhaps slightly subdued luster???) that bothers some graders more than others. Seems right at home in its new holder to me.

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  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2024 8:03PM

    ATV or AVT ?
    36,24,36 only the shadow knows.
    LOL.
    Speaking of problem shadows.


    FG and it's shadow of the strike. Problem.
    AM touching or not. Problem.
    The Fox and the Hound comes to mind.
    But this is for another day.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 22,858 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just picked up this Trade dollar earlier this evening:

    I'm going to pop it out of the slab and place it in a Dansco type set I am building.

    peacockcoins

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,220 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mr_Spud

  • lermishlermish Posts: 1,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Really cool transitional obverse, semi-PL under a thick patina due to being struck with proof dies. Marginal cleaned designation with very few hairlines... it'll get another shot soon.

    PS - @TennesseeDave If you still have that 74-P hanging around, irritating you in the details holder...shoot me a DM😉

  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2024 8:02AM

    I've shared this one before. I took a chance and bought this one raw at a local show. PCGS said it had been cleaned with AU details. I couldn't look at the slab without regret and irritation so I cracked it and put it in my type set album.
    Maybe there's a hairline in there somewhere, but I cannot see it. The tru-view looks nice. :'(

  • rnkmyer1rnkmyer1 Posts: 330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I keep thinking I’m going to resubmit this one again someday. I can’t see any evidence of cleaning, but acknowledge there might be “environmental damage” - water related. True Views not used as they’re way too dark.



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  • jackpine20jackpine20 Posts: 136 ✭✭✭✭

    Assigning the word graffiti is harsh. I have seen an example, recently, with unappealing, haphazard runic lettering, that was gifted the beloved 'engraved' descriptor. I refuse to accept 'Graffiti'. Oh, but I was pleasantly surprised by the classy, solid gasket that surrounds the coin.

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