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segoja
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thoughts???
I graded it MS65, but I guess I need a little help grading errors 
Maybe it was the lack of paint across the head of the screw???
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Way cool! That is one screwed up coin!
Those poor dies...
Jim,
It looks 'OK' from your photos only, but
there are counterfeit coins on nails, so
be careful.
(photos are too far away to make a firm
determination, imo)
Did it come with other dramatic errors?
for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
I am getting jaded (no pun intended) - my first thought was "China".
I have no evidence to support that, but the bar is getting set higher as production standards in China get higher. If I was offered one of those types of errors in the wild I'd want some pretty convincing provenance.
How does one ascertain if a "coin on nail" is counterfeit, in general? Seems as if there are very few details remaining to make such a judgement.
If I saw it in-hand, I could tell.
for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
My first question would be whether a screw of that style would have any business in a Mint facility, That looks like a wood screw to me, which really wouldn't be found in a manufacturing environment - the only wood there would be a pallet, and those are nailed. EDITED Did some more Google searching and I agree with @segoja below that this is more likely a machine screw, and definitely could be found in the Mint.
I would be curious what the pitch is of the threads. Some years ago I bought this coin which I determined to be struck through a bolt with a 6mm pitch, meaning the peaks of the threads were 0.75mm apart.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
its a machine screw look at the head of the coin
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
You're 100% correct, I edited my comment, thank you.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Wow, I'm way off. Thought it was a dead roach.
LOL....my kind of guy.
I nominate this for “THREAD of the year!”
@segoja
Now that is a very cool! I bet whatever that vibrated out of screwed up a lot of machinery.
That is interesting... it should be authenticated, if possible.... Error buyers would love that ... Cheers, RickO
I am in no way questioning if authentic, just trying to learn ...
How would the screw head not get folded upward by the collar when it was struck? The screw would need to be laying across the edge of the collar. The hammer die would come down, and force the threads inside the collar. Wouldn't the screw head fold up?
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Two things I was wondering. First, why does there appear to be some coppery bits on the reverse? Plating that didn't stick very well to the screw? Second, is this a pre-1969 obverse? The spacing on the obverse motto and relief of the portrait seem to indicate that. Of course, I don't know if this really tells us anything about authenticity or not.
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Collars back then were mounted on heavy springs that kept them basically in place during normal operations but allowed them to be depressed during certain malfunctions to minimize damage to the press.
Depending on the vintage it could have been struck on Graebener press which, rather than springs, uses air pressure pistons to "float" the collar.
I don't quite understand the term "just walked in" But, how did you determine the value if the coin/error
I would love a picture of a counterfeit cent struck on a nail!!
Looks similar to a waffle from the huge hoard that is out there
customer walked into the office with it. supposedly has been in the family for 30 years, but you always assume its fresh
its been mailed to our host once its slabbed, then it gets priced.
real=expensive
fake=throw it away
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
Real = You nailed it
fake = Screwed
Not a mint waffle canceled coin.
Looks like Fred should see it in hand.
Post 1969 obverse style.
1969-74
Excuse me while I bolt from the room!
I was thinking, "what's a trilobite doing on a coin thread?"
How did trace copper plating get on the reverse of the screw?
Thought about this as well. Don't have an answer.
My thought on the screw is that it is a cheap cadmium plated machine screw. Not one I would associate with a piece of production equipment like a coin press. Those machine screws would more likely be a socket head cap screw, grade 8 for strength. This screw is more likely found in a household application.
That corresponds both with the "had it in the family for 30 years" statement and the Modern Shenanigans Era of the mint.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
I have bought bed linens based upon thread counts but holy sheet!
Looks like a homemade fabrication to me. Too "neat" to be an authentic mint error.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Obviously we need better pictures to tell anything, but at this stage of the game I would say that there is a good chance that it was struck from US dies in a US Mint. Whether it had help or not remains to be seen.
If a previous statement that the obverse hub design corresponds to 1969-74 is correct, then the help that it may have had would be in line with that which caused other crazy mint errors of the early '70s to come into being.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
Yes, but we are not yet in a position to determine that, are we? For one thing, we need to know is this piece was struck by proof dies or not, though of course SF did make business strike cents 1968-74.
In the meantime, I am chilling and having a bit of fun. If the sun were over the yardarm I would mix myself a screwdriver.
I recommend that others consider this course of action.
@mannie gray said it was the 69-74 hub when I asked. I'm not sure what specifically indicated that time frame, but assuming that's correct, the circumstances indicate that it's plausible that this is the real deal. If it were a post-2000 obverse, then the owner's "in the family for over 30 years" claim would be bogus, and chances are the item itself would be.
It's fun to think about it being mint made alongside other mischievous mint errors of the time. I'm looking forward to see what our host's (and @FredWeinberg 's) findings are.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
It's not 'too neat' to be a genuine error, and I
believe it is genuine.
I sold a screw struck onto a Cent, from the '60's,
at the FUN show. They exist.
I will have a superb example of a screw struck
on top of a Lincoln Cent (I call it the "Lollypop")
at the ANA in Chicago. Stop by and view it.
You wouldn't believe some of the 'too neat' coins
that have come out of all of the different current
Mints, in the past 50 years.
for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
Is not cent blanks provided in-bulk by a third party?
It’s like making peanut butter. Peanuts are provided in-bulk. There is more than just peanuts that is being mixed.
Just saying.
Well, there are lots of screws and bolts out there. A few whole Lincoln cent coin dies maybe...Hard to argue with Fred. I am anxious to hear the final outcome to this piece.
The fact that the "head" is not more out of shape bothers me. I don't know where it was produced but IMO the "hand-of-man" was needed to make it on purpose!
Looks like the original moon boot print coin.
The hair details lead me to say I am 75% that this object was made (minted?)...in 1970/71 if it proves to be authentic.
Right now I am leaning toward authentic with some assistance.
Is that white paint on the head of the screw? Are US Mint coining presses painted white? @dcarr
TTT
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
This is awesome.
This should be in a dual coin holder with a nail. That or a screwdriver bit
Very sad that this Gold Shield coin does not have a TrueView. Perhaps it was slabbed before the offer change?
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/37690861
Coin just finished the grading process Thursday and I had it overnighted back to me. Sometimes the true views lag a few days. I'm guessing it'll show up next week.
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
Now that it has been revealed I am curious what value an error like this would have?
Sweet
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923