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How did this 1916-S WLH get a bean?

KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 29, 2019 8:50AM in U.S. Coin Forum

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They like crust at CAC.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe it was white when rated. Looks like a dipped coin that wasn't rinsed properly and is turning. If so it will continue to darken until addressed.

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Seems to me that in your last 1916 thread you showed quite nicely how pictures can lie

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    geez, the thing is only AU.....

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,411 ✭✭✭✭✭

    crusty the clown must have gotten a stint there

  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Broadstruck said:
    Poor lighting as criticizing another scanned coin reminds me of the Seinfeld "Two Face" Girlfriend episode.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFeUrC2gR30

    Great example! I am a huge Seinfeld fan, and I cannot tell you how often I tell my wife or kids, "This is just like that Seinfeld episode..."

  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    Maybe it was white when rated. Looks like a dipped coin that wasn't rinsed properly and is turning. If so it will continue to darken until addressed.

    Does CAC image the approved coins for reference?

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    Maybe it was white when rated. Looks like a dipped coin that wasn't rinsed properly and is turning. If so it will continue to darken until addressed.

    That is the problem with a lot of dipped coins after they sit for awhile.

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  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,209 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not sure if this is pot stirring or what but from what you show (crappy pics lol) it does look solid for 55 imho.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 29, 2019 5:34PM

    Ugly coin - I give it a C.

    I wonder if conservation would get that garbage off. Appears many years toning accumulation. Horribly tarnished piece.

    I know that coins can go bad in the Holder which means the sticker would become defunct or a joke as nobody would want the coin but this soon if that’s the case.....Flip your coins in a timely manner bc if they go bad in the Holder....”Coins a long term hold” lol. Ever read the coin preservation handbook?

    Would be difficult sell that piece. Well just start it on the bay at 99c.

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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a fan.

  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I often wonder why lots of coins get the Bean...(scratching head). For example, on my own subs to the Bean Factory, I've had some coins "win", and others "lose" and cannot honestly see why either way when I had been thinking the exact opposite. It's really just a game for me anyway. :#

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I suspect the coin looks better in hand than it does in that terrible photo. It probably has nice luster for the grade like that AU58 someone posted that looked much better in the better photo.

  • MarkMark Posts: 3,520 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 29, 2019 9:33PM

    I, too, thought it might have turned in the holder but the TrueView below suggests not. However, the TrueView does make the coin look much better. I'm guessing the truth may lie between the op's picture and the TrueView, likely closer to the TrueView, which makes it a bit easier to grasp why it received the CAC sticker.

    Mark


  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Its unbelievable it got a bean.

    The tarnish damage to the coin is unmistakable. I don’t think this can be explained away as a trick of light.

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Clock can be right rwice a day or wrong more often.
    I am a big fan of JA but even I do not always agree with him. but not often at all.

    Before disagreeing with him, I woul like to see the coin in person.

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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mark said:
    I, too, thought it might have turned in the holder but the TrueView below suggests not. However, the TrueView does make the coin look much better. I'm guessing the truth may lie between the op's picture and the TrueView, likely closer to the TrueView, which makes it a bit easier to grasp why it received the CAC sticker.

    As I suspected, it appears to have much better (almost MS) luster than a typical 55. So it likely got "net" graded from 58 to 55 for the mottled toning. JA then concluded it was at least a "B" for a 55. Not unreasonable to me.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,118 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Juan Valdez, the king of beans, approves.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,060 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't like the coin; however, I believe it is natural toning and solid for the grade. Based on CAC's stated criteria that is sufficient enough to garner a bean.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As I suspected, it appears to have much better (almost MS) luster than a typical 55. So it likely got "net" graded from 58 to 55 for the mottled toning. JA then concluded it was at least a "B" for a 55. Not unreasonable to me.

    Though I'm not a fan of this coin either, using this logic, I guess I can agree also.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin looks solid for a 55, ergo the CAC sticker. The tarnish is ugly, yes, as is most tarnish IMO....Cheers, RickO

  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Buy the coin not the bean. I like original toning but the toning as shown in the photos is unappealing to my eye. JMO.

  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There's no rule that says that even two experienced numismatists have to like the same coin!

    What this DID do was make a coin that might be ignored by many a saleable coin, since it has the "magic bean".

    "Originality" is something we pay lip service to, sometimes. CAC saw this as original, and I think they like original....even ugly original. Some others saw it as the result of an unwashed dip....so we can't even agree on "Original" sometimes. ;)

    Buy what you like, and don't sweat someone else's choices.

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  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Someone send it to me, I'll keep it for a few years and let you know what I think.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe the OP's picture was taken with "bad lighting on the porch" (ala Jerry Sienfeld)... the TruView looks much better...

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  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2019 1:33PM

    @lkenefic said:
    Maybe the OP's picture was taken with "bad lighting on the porch" (ala Jerry Sienfeld)... the TruView looks much better...

    Correction, they’re HA pics.

    Here are mine of a different coin:



    Seller’s pics of the same coin:


  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,209 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cougar1978 said:
    Its unbelievable it got a bean.

    The tarnish damage to the coin is unmistakable. I don’t think this can be explained away as a trick of light.

    Now that one clearly can view the TV it makes more sense and justifies the bean. While we might not love the tone, some will, and it def bean worthy as graded 55.

    Was this a newp for you KollctorKoin?

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @marcmoish said:

    @Cougar1978 said:
    Its unbelievable it got a bean.

    The tarnish damage to the coin is unmistakable. I don’t think this can be explained away as a trick of light.

    Now that one clearly can view the TV it makes more sense and justifies the bean. While we might not love the tone, some will, and it def bean worthy as graded 55.

    Was this a newp for you KollctorKoin?

    Nope I was surfing the HA site & saw this (questionable beaned) coin.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The more compelling question is why the so-called bean enters into the thought process for this coin. Either you like the coin or you don't and a bean at this grade level should not be persuasive unless one collects beans instead of coins. It is AU and it likely looks better in hand with attributes that some collectors may not appreciate.

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  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭✭

    I like it.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @KollectorKing said:

    @marcmoish said:

    @Cougar1978 said:
    Its unbelievable it got a bean.

    The tarnish damage to the coin is unmistakable. I don’t think this can be explained away as a trick of light.

    Now that one clearly can view the TV it makes more sense and justifies the bean. While we might not love the tone, some will, and it def bean worthy as graded 55.

    Was this a newp for you KollctorKoin?

    Nope I was surfing the HA site & saw this (questionable beaned) coin.

    Perhaps you’d be happier with a scrubbed up bright and shiny example...

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @KollectorKing said:

    @marcmoish said:

    @Cougar1978 said:
    Its unbelievable it got a bean.

    The tarnish damage to the coin is unmistakable. I don’t think this can be explained away as a trick of light.

    Now that one clearly can view the TV it makes more sense and justifies the bean. While we might not love the tone, some will, and it def bean worthy as graded 55.

    Was this a newp for you KollctorKoin?

    Nope I was surfing the HA site & saw this (questionable beaned) coin.

    Perhaps you’d be happier with a scrubbed up bright and shiny example...

    Like these :o




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