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GTG 1869 seated dollar

Picked this up not too long ago. Anyone care to guess the grade? Sorry that the photos are not the best.

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    zas107zas107 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭

    Better obverse photos

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pr63dcam

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS64(PL)

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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, it’s not a 65 and it’s not a 62. Hard to tell what’s going on in the fields but the devices are certainly 64 quality

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,260 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63 PL.

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    HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PR62CAM

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64CAM

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS63DMPL

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 63 based on the pictures... may well be better in hand... or worse... ;) Cheers, RickO

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin doesn't look like a business strike to me. My guess would be PR63 or PR64 CAM. Usually, I confine my grade guesses to a single point, but the images are (far) shy of ideal.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Even though he doesn't like to give opinions based on pictures, I'm paging @RogerB to cosign @MFeld's opinion. And mine.

    Has anyone here ever seen or heard of a Seated $1 in DMPL? Likely one existed, however, this piece is a lot "proofier" than that. ;)

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    AercusAercus Posts: 381 ✭✭✭✭

    Pr64cam

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The more I look at it, I agree, it looks like a proof...

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    ajaanajaan Posts: 17,125 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PR62


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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 9,959 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s raining 1869’s lately !!

    Cool coin. 63CAM

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    RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not to be a wise guy, but I see lot's of luster breaks on the obverse device and chatter in the fields, I'm probably wrong and in the minority, but it looks like a PR58 to me.

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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2019 10:24AM

    @Rollerman said:
    Not to be a wise guy, but I see lot's of luster breaks on the obverse device and chatter in the fields, I'm probably wrong and in the minority, but it looks like a PR58 to me.

    "No soup for you" - Seinfeld reference

    Look at PR62CAM and better coins at HA.com archives to get better in tune :)

    The biggest problem in evaluating this piece is how to interpret what are likely to be some combination of poor imaging, cloudy plastic and over-dipping

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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Methinks MS but could be mistaken. See the Norweb 1852 for a proofy mintstate coin

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    jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My very first impression of this was that of a Proof. I don't think it was well taken care of over the years. I'd call it a PR-62 CAM.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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    FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Proof 63 Cam

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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2019 5:35PM

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Methinks MS but could be mistaken. See the Norweb 1852 for a proofy mintstate coin

    No argument, but easily diagnosable from die characteristics. I'd find it much much easier to believe that a superb production technique in 1869 could produce "proofy" fabric.

    I bought the Norweb 1852 $1 Restrike which I sold to Jesse Lipka about a month after that sale. Apples and oranges, and no lack of credit to the proofs. An 1852 MS is a helluva tough coin, but on that one coin the proofiness never confused you, did it?

    Pictures?

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    PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2019 5:29PM

    PR 62 Cam

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    BGERRISHBGERRISH Posts: 74 ✭✭✭

    Proof Mint State 62 Cameo

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    zas107zas107 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭

    It is Graded Ms-63+ by PCGS. Forgot to take a full slab photo before putting back in the SDB. Thanks for the guesses all! The coin is VERY deeply mirrored, but is definitely a business strike. I suspect if submitted to NGC they would at a minimum call it prooflike.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @zas107 said:
    It is Graded Ms-63+ by PCGS. Forgot to take a full slab photo before putting back in the SDB. Thanks for the guesses all! The coin is VERY deeply mirrored, but is definitely a business strike. I suspect if submitted to NGC they would at a minimum call it prooflike.

    That’s a very impressive looking business strike!

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    Eric_BabulaEric_Babula Posts: 413 ✭✭✭✭

    I'm late to the game, but based on the pics I would have guessed PR-63, also.

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful coin.

    Very choice.

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