Can you help me with some image "detective" work??
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Maybe you can help me decide if these two medals are actually the same one. I think they are.
The first picture is from a Stack's auction held March 27th, 2018 in Baltimore. The key diagnostics for me are the obverse field marks and scratches, along with two indentations on the rim to the left. They are located by the second "M" and the "T" in the word Momento.
For the second picture(s) you'll need to follow the link to a current eBay auction. It should be easy enough to match up all the field marks around the Bust of Columbus, but if you look to the rim and the word "Momento" you'll notice that the rim dings aren't present. However, if you look closely at the large pictures of the obverse you can see a slight discoloration in exactly the same places as the Stack's medal. The seller in the eBay auction noted in the description that In quality control they flagged that a repair may have been made to the obverse. The medal was sent back to grading and emerged with a grade of Uncirculated Details - Obverse Repaired.
Taken together I think that the medals are the same, the Stack's medal is the eBay listed medal that has been cleverly and expertly repaired. Tell me what you think.
Al H.
Stack's listing from March 27th, 2018.
The Stack's listing where a larger image is available, click on the picture.
https://sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=4646&category=132301&lot=3824744
Currently listed at eBay.
https://ebay.com/itm/1892-Eglit-105-Gilt-59mm-Columbus-Civilization-NGC-Uncirculated/273785436221?hash=item3fbee2383d:g:dhAAAOSw~Thco0jO
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Look VERY similar!
Scratches obverse match. Same medal.
Yeah, that copper toning spot on the obverse left field is a wonderful tell for me.
Ding above 1 seems identical.
Rim ding at 9 o'clock at M on obverse missing. Die crack or scratch missing on Chris's left shoulder. Not same item in my opinion.
Jim
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Same scratch in front on the chin.
I mean in front of the chin.
I say without a doubt they are the same. Lots of matching diagnostics. The scratches in the field under "COLUMBUS" are undeniably the same but there is more than that.
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what about the rim dings, do you see the discolored areas on the "Obverse repaired" eBay listing??
The rim dings are definitely fewer from what's viewable. There's a lot of interior dings that match perfectly, like the chunk out of the inner ring above the 1 in 1893, another between the I and C in CHIꜜCAGO. I see the discolored areas but I'm not sure if that's a result of the lighting and may have been present at either imaging. I have no doubt it's the same coin.
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People can go with firm contracts to sell on major auction sites to ebay; the market decides what full value is. In this economy I believe that the market can expand to express interest in nice material.
Here's the stacksbowers.com listing where it sold raw for $960.00. The SixBid site indicates the pre-auction estimate was just $75.00.
1893 World's Columbian Exposition Columbus Portrait Medal. Gilt Bronze. 59 mm. Eglit-105, var. Mint State.
On the bay, it's now offered at $750.00 OBO as 4694575-005 NGCDetails
Looks the same to me.
Lance.
It's the same medal, no question... Here's a side by side of the two obverse images with identifying features circled.
does anyone have any ideas as to how that rim would be repaired and who might do it?? I know there used to be a guy in Kentucky or Tennessee who did stuff like that, plugged holes, etc., but I can't recall a name. also, that seems to me to be the most obvious "Obverse Repaired" that NGC would notice, does anyone see anything else that seems suspicious??
interestingly, I was an under-bidder on the medal at Stack's and see that auction link periodically when I do searches for this medal, Eglit-105. in Gilt Copper I believe it was unknown and unlisted by Nathan Eglit when he compiled his listings. hindsight being what it always is I am glad I decided to just post a modest bid and watch, just as I'm glad I remembered the medal when I saw this listing on eBay.
Definitely the same medal... many pick up points as shown above. I have no answer for the rim ding repairs, that is an area I have never tried....Cheers, RickO
They look identical to me.
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