My new DMPL,..... Hopefully
SilverEagle420
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This is my new 1879 Morgan jus showed up today 
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Not a pimple on that DMPL! Nice score.
Cheers
Bob
She’s nice @SilverEagle420.
Nice find 👍 mirrors on her are great
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Cool username!
Blemish free, fully struck, deep mirrors and frosted devices. MS68DCAM? 15K coin in the right holder.
Surfaces appear to be messed with. Possible dip haze. See around the Eagle, the cloudiness between eagles wings & wreath, above the head and around IGWT as well as below AM... If so, it most likely wont get DMPL even if deserving and may not grade at all.
Hopefully it's not dip haze and just PVC haze that can be effectively removed with an acetone bath
Too much chatter on her neck for a 68....but looks like a nice 67. PL for sure but got my fingers crossed for a DMPL.
bob
I can’t get to 67 (and probably not 66), due to the flaws on the neck. And if it is deserving of DPL, I can’t tell from the images.
Edited to add - looking at the images again, I think MS65 would be the maximum grade the coin could achieve.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Definitely some questionable areas on the neck and below it.... and below the wing on the reverse....First impression, from the pictures is that it is a nice coin... then those details on further review...Let us know what transpires if you submit it. Cheers, RickO
66+...PL ?
Not enough for dmpl.
The reverse has some haze as Chris mentioned that may keep it out of DMPL territory. First obverse image has me at MS65 tops.
It's a nice coin, but MS65 is generous.
64/65 PL at best based on photos.
Definitely needs a soak before submission in my opinion.
Nice Morgan!
MS63, PL
what mark said
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
The fields are not clear and reflective enough to receive the PL or DMPL designation from PCGS.
I like it as a 64+
looks like you did alright with it so far
Thanks guys!! Sorry I didnt respond it's been crazy!! I did notice all that but it is in pcgs' hands now along with my original threads fb mercury dime so we will see
MS65PL.
Keep us updated.
This
Omg I feel so raped,,, I got an MS63 on this Morgan,,, no + no PL and it is in waaay better than fkin 63
And I've seen many on Ebay that are 63 dmpl that look horrible in comparison
Please don't feel too bad, feel educated if anything. The last image really shows the coin, and no offense, its a fair grade in my opinion. Its just too busy on her face and in front of her face. Most if not all of us have experienced grading disappointment. Welcome to the club.🙂
To me it looks semi-PL, still nice.
I think the 63 dmpl grade on the last one pictured above is a gift(read: curse)
You should see the 1916 dime I just got back as a 64FB
Collector, occasional seller
Grading standards have definitely tightened!
Even a 64 would made me like 30 bucks lol,, jus butthurt, and I'd like to see your dime
True, look at the new westpoint lowell quarters they graded. At 66 they look terrible for an ultra modern in 66,, jus seems to be getting a lil biased
I'll probably make a post asking the forum to help me understand the grade. Need to take a few photos of it since I didn't spring for imaging on that order.
Collector, occasional seller
There is a lot of friction marks on the cheek and neck. I say 63 is about right although it looks like it could have gotten a PL.
There is no "standard" for PL or DMPL or other such surface descriptions. A standard would be easy to design and implement --
I watched a pcgs grading 101 video on YouTube that's stated a pl has a clear reflectivity at 3 inches and a dmpl has one a 6 or further, I've held this at arms length and it's still reflective, I could shave in this Morgan lol
Man even a 63 + I would've agreed with for sure,, but I dont think they would even upgrade me
I was comparing it to that ms 63 dmpl I posted a pic of
Define "clear." What light source? What viewing angle? What is being reflected? On and on -- there is no standard.
In a prior thread on this subject a very simple, easy to implement standard was proposed. Not a wiggle resulted from any TPG or other. The money part of coin collecting does not really want stable standards and consistency. A long of $$$ is made through confusion and instability as collectors and dealers try to out-guess the current day's version.
Unfortunate, I remember seeing the original post and thinking 64PL max, you could always wait and resubmit it latter. What's the saying; if the grade doesn't fit you must resubmit; lol.
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SilverEagle420 - I'm not attempting to be obstinate or obstructive, but reality is that without a clear, public definition and the means to make repeated, objective measurements, the opinion of any TPG will vary from one day to the next. This might not be intentional, but it happens and will continue to happen until TPGs take a more disciplined, scientific approach to developing their attributions.