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Why isn't the "Full Head" designation applied to Seated coins?

topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

Especially half dimes through 20 c pieces?

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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it has an "uncommonly full head", and you are a buyer, you will be happy that it's not designated on the holder.

    On the other hand, if you're a seller, you probably wish it was designated.

    I can see the need to stratify the grades in some series. But when you get to FBL Franklin's, and Full Steps Jefferson's, where a single nick invalidates an otherwise perfectly good strike.....it just seems like a marketing ploy to me.

    Easily distracted Type Collector
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not enough folks have ever gotten excited about those designations. The one for Jefferson nickels is a joke.

    Leon

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree. As a buyer, such a designation would only add an unnecessary premium.

  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,630 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Seated coins are challenging enough without getting picky about strikes. But yes, there are collectors who may close attention to it and may someday be rewarded by the market.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2019 7:56PM

    While few seem to care now, I think you all are short-sighted. Folks strive for the best and other folks will find a way to make money from it. IMO, one-day FH SL coins may come to pass. :)

  • bigjpstbigjpst Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Shhhhh. Please don’t give them any new ideas. :p
    I prefer my seated coins in the crusty VF-XF range so hopefully if they do start some day it won’t hurt me too much.

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't even go there.

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    what TomB said in a nutshell.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bigjpst said:
    Shhhhh. Please don’t give them any new ideas. :p
    I prefer my seated coins in the crusty VF-XF range so hopefully if they do start some day it won’t hurt me too much.

    Those grades are where I see the real difference.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2019 5:28AM

    Great idea.... But only if we can also a have "Full Nose" designation on $20 Saint Gaudens ;)

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All it will take to start a movement toward a FH Seated material designation is for the LSCC to publish a grading guide and become an advocate of the designation. Actually, the guide book is not necessary.

  • SeatedTonersSeatedToners Posts: 392 ✭✭✭✭

    What I see as a common point of strike weakness for the Liberty Seated series, at least with regards to the proof coinage, is the obverse stars. The stars can sometimes be “mushy” and struck without complete definition. This apparently has no impact on the assigned grade though because you can you through the CoinFacts images and see coins of the same grade with vastly different strike quality on the stars. Auction houses also sometimes mention star weakness in their descriptions, but not consistently. If a “full head” designation is beneficial, would a “full stars” designation also be worthwhile?

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2019 7:44AM

    This would accomplish nothing except create collecting hype for those who would fall into it.

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2019 8:03AM

    @ms70 said:
    This would accomplish nothing except create collecting hype for those who would fall into it.

    While i agree with your post, all you need to do is look around at all collectibles in the last fifty years. At one time there was no FH, FS, FB. DMPL $$ were selling for at the same price as the BU's unless a dealer added one or two dollars.Who cared about the centering of the design or the glue on the back of a stamp?

    It is the folks who think into the future when they collect who usually do well. At one time error coins were JUNK! I got my cent on a dime for $25. No one even looked for doubled die coins except the 1955! I had to beg a major dealer to take two VF 1916/16 nickels off my hands for $35 so I could buy a coin I really wanted. Changes in grading will come in the future. Bet on it.

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I had my way we'd be rid of all these strike designations. Evaluating strike is one of the easier aspects of grading.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BryceM said:
    If I had my way we'd be rid of all these strike designations. Evaluating strike is one of the easier aspects of grading.

    No can do as grading is connected to VALUE and strength-of-strike affects the desirability, grade, and value of a coin.
    One of the major factors that caused the end of true technical grading was that both strike and eye appeal were not considered in a coin's grade UNLESS it was unusual - then it was tacked on to the end of the grade:

    Choice Uncirculated, flat strike.

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    at this point in the game designations don't add to the value of coins that get them, they take away from the value of coins that don't get them. it's the same game as CAC is shaping up to be. the last major designation that happened with was bands on Roosevelt Dimes. almost overnight the coins of same grade without bands fell in value, even if they were nice coins.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hmmmm...........

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2019 10:51AM

    @keets said:
    at this point in the game designations don't add to the value of coins that get them, they take away from the value of coins that don't get them. it's the same game as CAC is shaping up to be. the last major designation that happened with was bands on Roosevelt Dimes. almost overnight the coins of same grade without bands fell in value, even if they were nice coins.

    You may wish to be more specific about "designations" although I may be the one who is mistaken about the term.

    I believe a FBL Franklin sold for a lot of money recently and astronomical prices are paid for nickels that are extremely rare with FS. Why I even read somewhere that 1930 quarters are rarely found with a FH. Is there any member here that can confirm that is true for the quarter?

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the sash detail is much of the normal detail for different grades.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Thor11 said:
    yes, the FBL Franklin is a joke

    Only to some who may not be informed. What is a BIG JOKE was changing the standards for FBL coins a while back. Now the TPGS have different definitions for FBL.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These 'separator' qualifiers will continue until full AI computer grading is implemented. @keets is correct, when the qualifiers are added, the other coins fall in value...and collectors flock to the 'new' and 'better' coins....much like the tarnish premium has taken some coins into the price stratosphere...Sooner or later, the coins will be valued for overall quality and standards will exist. Cheers, RickO

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