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Where do you grade this Standing Liberty Quarter?

RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Pay no attention to the grade written on the 2 X 2, I wonder where you would grade it.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,555 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Always hard to tell from a picture. The obverse looks nice, but the reverse looks cleaned or even polished. Although I never trust the lighting on these things

  • georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭

    What jmlanzaf said

  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 5,958 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hard to grade from photos
    on the plus side I see the toes on the right foot and the knee looks rounded
    I would like to see more detail on the shield
    The other issue is that Standing Liberty quarters some times are weakly struck
    Makes grading an issue.

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks dipped to me.

    MS 63 seems right.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭✭✭

    High AU.

  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 5,958 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Who cares!
    The ONLY thing that matters is do YOU like the quarter?
    That and that alone is most important!!!!!

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  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ^^^^^^^^^ until the asking price.............

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS. Going out on a limb here, looks really nice, 66.

  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cleaned---AU53-58

  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The lack of detail on the eagles belly suggests AU ish to me. Pics are really not conducive to grading it.

    If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Altered surfaces.

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 23, 2019 6:46PM

    I can't grade through a 2x2. The plastic completely distorts the luster. Almost everything looks cleaned or polished that way. BU details, no FH.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,467 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree with the issue of trying to grade coins in a 2x2 holder; that said, the obverse looks 63, the reverse looks AU.

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  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,545 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The reverse looks off to me. Clearly wear and not just a weak strike, but it’s been messed with. I grade it AU details.

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 23, 2019 8:56PM

    Strike: Missing details on shield and eagle, well struck in other areas.
    Condition: Relatively mark free.
    Wear: None, wear usually appears throughout a coin's surfaces, IMO.
    Luster: Cleaned
    Toning: Where was this coin stored where it did not tone even a little over the 94 years?
    I would have zero interest in this coin if I knew better struck examples were available and with original toning.

    Leo

    A web search did yield better struck examples.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Weak strike, but most do... I like to at least see full rivets in the shield. I think it's MS details, but with the spots on the obverse, I'm inclined to agree that someone altered the surfaces...

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  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64, but please no gtg through holders.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I lean towards AU58 and think the number on the flip is a little generous. it looks nice but I think I see rub and not strike weakness.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As several have noted... grading through a 2x2 is tough..add to that grading a picture of a coin in a 2x2 and it really becomes guesswork...The best I will offer is that it is likely AU....Cheers, RickO

  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks whizzed.

  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,165 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not adding much new to what's already been said, but something about the surfaces looks off--dipped or cleaned--and through the holder, it's hard to tell if the coin has a rub or a weak strike. I could see it anywhere from AU to low uncirculated by detail, but certainly based on these pictures, I don't think the coin is quite right and doubt it would straight grade.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Serious question @Rollerman

    Since the difference between an AU and MS is very slight and we all know that some AU's are graded commercially in the low MS range, how can we tell AU/MS and FH/not FH when there is a lighting glare on the high parts of the coin - especially the head. Reading this thread so far, most of the members have correct opinions based on the image.

    What I will add is the leg looks pretty good and the weakness on the shield leads me to believe the head is falt under the glare. I'll guess a TPGS will give it a 63 or 64 depending on its originality as it has very few visible contact marks.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2019 12:43PM

    OP's question: "Where do you grade this Standing Liberty Quarter?"

    I examine and grade coins at my office desk using an 18% gray background and daylight color balanced illumination. I can alter the lighting ratio to emphasize low relief details. Fluorescent (mercury), sodium and other distorted spectrum lights are never used. I also have available long and short wave UV (with protective goggles) to check for fluorescence of certain surface contamination.

  • RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks to all who offered an opinion. I'm in the "it's been dipped" camp, but I still like it, especially for the $55 investment I have in it. Maybe they were just being nice, but the coin club guys all seemed to like it, and they of course had it in hand. The best grader in the club saw this photo and also saw the coin in hand. From the photo he thought it had been cleaned, after seeing it in person the other night he said it was only dipped, which was my thought as well. I'm not quite on board about the photo (with a cell phone by the way) with the coin in a 2 X 2 being a big problem for me. I think that grading photographed coins in TPG's holders, which are invariably scratched, is harder myself...but it's a point well taken! Oh, and no way was this coin a FH, which all of you indicated as well.
    Best wishes to all,
    Pete

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2019 7:30PM

    @RogerB said:
    OP's question: "Where do you grade this Standing Liberty Quarter?"

    I examine and grade coins at my office desk using an 18% gray background and daylight color balanced illumination. I can alter the lighting ratio to emphasize low relief details. Fluorescent (mercury), sodium and other distorted spectrum lights are never used. I also have available long and short wave UV (with protective goggles) to check for fluorescence of certain surface contamination.

    I say to each his own...but a word to anyone interested in actually seeing the surface of their coin without the glare: The technicians at the Treasury Department Mint Laboratory used fluorescent light and a stereo microscope to examine coins. I suspect that includes the coinage dies although I have not seen them examine a die in person. I assume this applies to dies to because only a fluorescent light was at the microscope station.

    Disclaimer: I have been told years ago that no such U.S Mint Laboratory exists in Washington and the twenty-plus year employee had never heard of such a place. I feel like I'm living in the "Brigadoon" movie.

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,481 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    OP's question: "Where do you grade this Standing Liberty Quarter?"

    I examine and grade coins at my office desk using an 18% gray background and daylight color balanced illumination. I can alter the lighting ratio to emphasize low relief details. Fluorescent (mercury), sodium and other distorted spectrum lights are never used. I also have available long and short wave UV (with protective goggles) to check for fluorescence of certain surface contamination.

    Neat Roger!

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    Pete

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeap, that coin is certainly whizzed. Very easy to see in the pictures.

    @TomB said:
    Altered surfaces.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,613 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My best guess is AU details, cleaned.

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    RE: "I got a Bausch & Lomb 10X and my right eyeball."

    Ahh...don't those implants itch ?

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