1868 $3 Gold NEWP - 12pc type set complete!

asheland · March 19, 2019 10:15PM

Well I pulled the trigger. I got the $3 gold completing my 12 piece gold type set.

I’m happy with this coin! The true-view is good, but I think this one actually looks better in person.
These pictures I took accurately show the coin.

This one really has a proof like look at certain angles. A nice coin for the set.

ifthevamzarockin · March 19, 2019 10:22PM

Congrats on completing your set! Nice coin

Paradisefound · March 19, 2019 11:04PM

Amazing @asheland ...... your determination to complete the set finally came to fruition Congrats!

Paradisefound · March 19, 2019 11:05PM

She is the BEST AU58 I've seen in a long time

batumi · March 19, 2019 11:54PM

The trueview photos of your piece are much better than the photos of the coin in another thread. Nice looking piece, and congratulations on your set! I don't mean to kick a hornets nest, but is a cac trip in the coins future. From the trueview photos, it does.

asheland · March 20, 2019 4:32AM

@batumi thank you.
Right now no plans for CAC, but possibly down the road I might indeed, possibly all of my gold will go for a trip there.

asheland · March 20, 2019 4:33AM

Thanks @Paradisefound

ShadyDave · March 20, 2019 4:44AM

Congrats, on completing an entire set...that doesn't happen too often (for me at least). Now share all 12 coins!

Hemispherical · March 20, 2019 4:48AM

Congrats on the GOLD set completion @asheland!

amwldcoin · March 20, 2019 4:50AM

Congrats! Glad it worked out for you!

Outhaul · March 20, 2019 4:51AM

Coingratulations to you! That's a really nice example and quite an accomplishment.

Cheers

Bob

tommy44 · March 20, 2019 4:52AM

Congratulations! A low mintage coin in the perfect condition for a type set. I like it a lot

Outhaul · March 20, 2019 4:53AM

...and the TrueView doesn't show the luster.

jwitten · March 20, 2019 6:53AM

Congrats!!! Gorgeous coin, and set!

asheland · March 20, 2019 7:22AM

@ShadyDave said:
Congrats, on completing an entire set...that doesn't happen too often (for me at least). Now share all 12 coins!

When I have them all together, I plan on a group picture!

asheland · March 20, 2019 7:24AM

Thanks everybody!

asheland · March 20, 2019 7:26AM

Not the best video, but I did this yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gASYdDeWcfQ
At certain angles, especially from a distance, it looks almost like a proof which makes sense with the low mintage and fresh dies.

Broadstruck · March 20, 2019 7:37AM

Sorry to say but the obverse/reverse fields show putty buddy

skier07 · March 20, 2019 7:54AM

@Broadstruck said:
Sorry to say but the obverse/reverse fields show putty buddy

Where do you see the putty?

Broadstruck · March 20, 2019 7:56AM

@skier07 said:

@Broadstruck said:
Sorry to say but the obverse/reverse fields show putty buddy

Where do you see the putty?

Oddly the Secure-View sniffer is supposed to detect putty however all the haze within the red squares is putty that's turning.

PCGS needs to acetone the coin to remove it.

Guess someone tried to get it into a MS holder by hiding things with putty.

asheland · March 20, 2019 7:58AM

@Broadstruck said:
Sorry to say but the obverse/reverse fields show putty buddy

I thought that at first when seeing the true view, but once I saw it in person, I don't believe that to be the case.
The fields are mirror like and show anything on the surface easily, kind of like a finger print on a proof...
My opinion anyway...

Broadstruck · March 20, 2019 8:10AM

@asheland said:

@Broadstruck said:
Sorry to say but the obverse/reverse fields show putty buddy

I thought that at first when seeing the true view, but once I saw it in person, I don't believe that to be the case.
The fields are mirror like and show anything on the surface easily, kind of like a finger print on a proof...
My opinion anyway...

The camera lens will spot putty better than the unknowing human eye.

Remember it's just a very thin coat meant to fool professional graders.

So you'll have to tilt it back and forth under and light source surfing the surfaces with a loupe for it to stand out.

The putty will not harm the coin and will just darken with age, so there's no urgency in having it removed with acetone.

On gold this is where CAC comes into play as JA and BS can spot putty prior to even getting to this state.

Still weird as Secure View was to catch this.

Edited to add -

Putty shows in your YouTube video just as on the Secure Tru-View.

Smudge · March 20, 2019 8:24AM

Very nice. Congrats. What is next?

mvs7 · March 20, 2019 8:47AM

Very nice! Awesome accomplishment finishing the set... congrats!

santinidollar · March 20, 2019 8:50AM

Congratulations! That’s quite a collecting accomplishment.

asheland · March 20, 2019 9:17AM

@Broadstruck said:

@asheland said:

@Broadstruck said:
Sorry to say but the obverse/reverse fields show putty buddy

I thought that at first when seeing the true view, but once I saw it in person, I don't believe that to be the case.
The fields are mirror like and show anything on the surface easily, kind of like a finger print on a proof...
My opinion anyway...

The camera lens will spot putty better than the unknowing human eye.

Remember it's just a very thin coat meant to fool professional graders.

So you'll have to tilt it back and forth under and light source surfing the surfaces with a loupe for it to stand out.

The putty will not harm the coin and will just darken with age, so there's no urgency in having it removed with acetone.

On gold this is where CAC comes into play as JA and BS can spot putty prior to even getting to this state.

Still weird as Secure View was to catch this.

Edited to add -

Putty shows in your YouTube video just as on the Secure Tru-View.

I saw the haze when I inspected the coin yesterday. My friend bought this coin raw in an older collection, it was in a mylar staple up, he just sent it in as it was. I would expect PCGS to have caught it if it was putty... Am I wrong? @HeatherBoyd do you know anything specific about that? I requested that my friend send it Gold Shield just for this kind of protection. It was literally slabbed last week.

asheland · March 20, 2019 9:17AM

@Smudge said:
Very nice. Congrats. What is next?

Not sure now, perhaps southern gold?

BryceM · March 20, 2019 9:19AM

Well, a 12-piece type set is a pretty cool thing even for non-numismatists. The type-II gold and $3 are the toughies. If that coin has been puttied (I think maybe Broadstruck is right) you’ll have to decide if it bothers you. It’s always a bummer when excitement turns to frustration in an instant.

Smudge · March 20, 2019 9:26AM

@asheland said:

@Smudge said:
Very nice. Congrats. What is next?

Not sure now, perhaps southern gold?

Oh no. That will just make it cost more and harder for me to get.

asheland · March 20, 2019 9:29AM

@BryceM said:
Well, a 12-piece type set is a pretty cool thing even for non-numismatists. The type-II gold and $3 are the toughies. If that coin has been puttied (I think maybe Broadstruck is right) you’ll have to decide if it bothers you. It’s always a bummer when excitement turns to frustration in an instant.

I thought it might be, but after looking at it in person, I didn't think so, but now I am wondering... Indeed it's frustrating.

Broadstruck · March 20, 2019 9:35AM

@asheland said:

@BryceM said:
Well, a 12-piece type set is a pretty cool thing even for non-numismatists. The type-II gold and $3 are the toughies. If that coin has been puttied (I think maybe Broadstruck is right) you’ll have to decide if it bothers you. It’s always a bummer when excitement turns to frustration in an instant.

I thought it might be, but after looking at it in person, I didn't think so, but now I am wondering... Indeed it's frustrating.

Coin just needs to be remedied and should grade out the same with just a tad bit more chatter hidden under the haze.

Broadstruck · March 20, 2019 9:45AM

Fields will be more PL once removed as think of the putty as ugly carpet covering beautiful hardwood floors

asheland · March 20, 2019 9:48AM

True. Indeed.

Aspie_Rocco · March 21, 2019 11:41AM

Coingratulations on finishing your set! Very nice group

asheland · March 21, 2019 11:59AM

@Aspie_Rocco said:
Coingratulations on finishing your set! Very nice group

Thank you!

asheland · March 21, 2019 12:48PM

The topic of putty being brought up in this thread bothered me some as I value my coins to be original and not doctored. However, like I said previously, the true-view shows this haze a lot more than under the naked eye, after thinking this through, I find it very difficult to believe that three different PCGS graders didn't notice in person what we are seeing in a photograph! Not to mention the Gold Shield service and the sniffer being used.

After seeing another similar example of this haze and that particular example being CAC'd, I have concluded this is not doctoring on my coin, but just residue on the surface from past storage conditions...
Here's the other example found on Heritage

I would very much like other members opinions on this...
I do not want to have this coin "conserved" I highly value original skin and believe my example has just that:
Very accurate in hand look:

Bullsitter · March 21, 2019 12:56PM

Very nice $3 gold piece and congrats on finishing your set.

ShadyDave · March 21, 2019 1:00PM

Send it to CAC/JA and ask for notes on what he thinks?

asheland · March 21, 2019 1:05PM

@ShadyDave said:
Send it to CAC/JA and ask for notes on what he thinks?

I just may do that at some point in time...

tommy44 · March 21, 2019 1:09PM

If you like it that's all that really matters. They're aren't a heck of lot of 1868 AU58 $3s to choose from. If you ever decide that you don't like it any more I'd love a shot at buying it to fill one of two big holes in my own 12 piece gold type set.

ricko · March 21, 2019 1:21PM

Congratulations on completing your set... I hope you resolve the 'putty' issue... Perhaps you should send it in for 'reconsideration'....That way you will get expert determination...Cheers, RickO

mapleman · March 21, 2019 1:42PM

It's a winner to me. I'd immediately send it to JA for beaning. JMHO.

asheland · March 21, 2019 2:10PM

LJenkins11 · March 21, 2019 2:52PM

Awesome coin, putty or no putty. Congrats on the set completion.

1868 $3 Gold NEWP - 12pc type set complete!

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