Jacques Wiener's Notre-Dame Cathedrale De Paris medal

Hello everyone, I'm new to this forum. This is actually my first post! I have seen some discussion here about J. Wiener's cathedral serie. I want to show you guys the Notre-Dame medal that I have just bought. I know most of you guys don't like the shiny, re-toned surface. However, I bought it at a very cheap price that I just couldn't control myself LOL. Please tell me how much do you guys think this medal might worth. I want to see if I really got a good deal or not. Many thanks!

P.S. This medal came with this blueish-greyish dirt( or patina perfaps?). It came off when I scratch it with a needle. However, I really don't want to hurt the surface so I gave up. Any good idea how to get rid of it? Thanks a lot!


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  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 700 ✭✭✭✭

    The bluish grey stuff looks like polishing compound stuck in the devices. Try a soak in acetone?

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  • Thank you scubafuel! Since acetone can only remove organic deposit, I guess this bluish grey stuff is organic?

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 16,964 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, the stuff in the recesses is likely polish and should not be hard to remove. Don't use any sort of sharp object. So far as value goes I can't comment. The polishing will greatly reduce the value but by how much is pure speculation since you are dealing with a thin market to begin with. In the future I would avoid purchasing medals with problems. The previous owner's problem has now become your problem.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • ZoharZohar Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great detail in these. I see polishing lines and a major rim hit on the top medal above the "DAME". I agree that its worth waiting for a better specimen.

  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭✭

    Since you asked. I would think it difficult to get more than $20 or so for that example.
    I have sold some pretty nice ones for $100.

  • dxd1995dxd1995 Posts: 11
    edited March 13, 2019 11:25PM

    @Flatwoods said:

    I have sold some pretty nice ones for $100.

    Could you please give me some hints where to buy Wiener's medal? I have seen some on Ebay but they are all around $400. Or do you sell them online? Thanks!

  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭✭

    Ebay is still the best place. They don't show up as frequently as they used to but pop up occasionally.
    Lots of lesser pieces and plenty of fakes so be careful.
    If you see something and would like an opinion feel free to message me.
    I won't be competing as my set is nearly complete. Is there any medal in particular that you are looking for?
    A very nice medal will run anywhere from $200 for the common ones to $1500 for the key piece.
    Lesser but still very nice medals can be had for less.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 16,964 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't overpay. They do turn up. Just wait until you find nice ones at nice prices. Many medal dealers price their medals very high in the hope they can find that elusive "gotta have it now" collector with more money than sense.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • dxd1995dxd1995 Posts: 11
    edited March 14, 2019 5:42PM

    @Flatwoods Thank you for the advice! You guys are so friendly to a newbie! :) Generally I'm looking for any Wiener Cathedral serie medals other than the one I have (gonna keep this one a little while). I don't need it to be super rare or in "uncirculated" condition. Any piece that is not completely "worn out" should be fine for me.

    My current goals are: Oscar Roty's helmet Marianne (all sizes), Wiener's cathedral serie and Dupuis's Le nid/La source medals. When I get my new Marianne medal delievered to me, I will post it too :D

    Also, I will try to merge it in acetone tonight. Will post the result later!

  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭✭

    If you run across any that look like this and you don't want them, let me know. :)

  • dxd1995dxd1995 Posts: 11
    edited March 14, 2019 6:03PM

    @Flatwoods https://www.ebay.com/itm/183679907650
    This one has been up for a long time. I guess you probably have already seen it? Is it the price or is it the tone?

  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭✭

    It is a very nice medal. I have the piece already or I would be tempted.
    I think it is priced a little aggressively but not overly so. Nice ones are getting scarce.
    The seller is a member here and has nice stuff.
    He also has another nice one for sale or did recently.
    You could sign up for his email alerts. He won't spam you and he has these frequently.
    For what its worth, I have purchased from him before and was quite satisfied.

  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭✭

    Since we are on the subject. :)
    I do have a few reservations about the piece you linked.
    Maybe he will chime in. It could be educational.

  • @Flatwoods I found their website at https://www.numismagram.com/
    However, I couldn't find email list sign up link. I do find their social media links. How can I sign up their email list? Thanks!

  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭✭

    Buy something. ;)
    That's how I did it. I'm sure you could email Jeremy and ask.
    He may be along shortly.

  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭✭
  • numismagramnumismagram Posts: 54 ✭✭✭

    Hi---sorry, I didn't see this until just now. There isn't really a way to sign up directly to my mailing list, @dxd1995, but contacting me through the email address on my site works fine. You can also just send me a message on here with your contact info and I'll add you. I send out a brief newsletter at the beginning of each month when I add new items, and occasionally mid-month if I happen to have a mini upload. Here's a link to the mini that I sent out earlier today, for an example: http://shoutout.wix.com/so/0dMc2BTlx#/main

    In terms of price, the longer I've had an item, generally the more I can work with discounts, especially if paying by check. Any way I can work around eBay and/paypal fees is preferable.

    If you have any questions on the Milan one, @Flatwoods, just let me know. I also have a Burgos one that is a new purchase and not yet imaged, but it's not really of the same quality as some of the others which I have/have had, so it may not be of interest. I can send you an image once I have it ready.

    Jeremy Bostwick

    For exceptional works of medallic art, check out our current inventory at Numismagram!

  • @numismagram Thank you for your reply! I have just sent you a PM with my email. Your newsletter is very interesting and informative!

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