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1900 Barber Quarter in a Sealed Locket...........MS or PR?

DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 25, 2019 1:52PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Is it MS or a Proof?

I'm thinking based on the distinct bottom edge of Liberty, edge of hairline to the face and edge of eagle's brow, it looks like a proof.

Any thoughts?

"Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)

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  • WinLoseWinWinLoseWin Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the pics, it looks like a possibility, Not sure there is any way to confirm without viewing in person.

    That brings up a question, Does anyone have examples of proof coins used like this? I only recall seeing business strikes.

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Certainly seems Proof-ish....how do the fields look in hand?

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The surfaces don't look original. It was probably cleaned before being inserted in the locket.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2019 7:00PM

    @291fifth said:
    The surfaces don't look original. It was probably cleaned before being inserted in the locket.

    You have a good eye.

    The coin is actually gold-plated and under 10X you can tell the surface of the coin has been plated.

    No wear on the coin, so I thought that was neat and for $60 US, I'm happy with the purchase.

    That's why I took the picture in black and white because I wanted everyone to focus initially only on whether or not it's a proof, as I still think it is.

    Here's how it actually looks.

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The second set of pics makes it look like a BS - business strike. It lost its mint state surfaces long ago.
    Neat little piece.

    thefinn
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice looking coin... I cannot determine if it was coined as a proof...The surfaces certainly have received some hits/chatter... Nice as jewelry though... Cheers, RickO

  • batumibatumi Posts: 848 ✭✭✭✭

    Neat piece of jewelry for sixty bucks.

  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin. Too bad it has been messed with.

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's sealed in a very thick crystal bezel on both sides.

    Honestly, I'm thinking of using it as a golf ball marker on the greens this year.

    What a conversation piece it would be and there's no way the coin can get damaged as it's completely protected and realistically, how much would it be worth.....$100,00 maybe $200.00??

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool! If It will look fantastic against the green out on the golf course too.

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just returned from a jeweller friend of mine and now it's free!!



    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭

    I was just coming on to say the edge will give you a clue! haha

  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Even if it did have a light cleaning a long time ago, I would pay $60 for that all day long.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,643 ✭✭✭✭✭

    any way to get the gold plating off ?

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    any way to get the gold plating off ?

    No way.

    Gold plating fuses into the silver.

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2019 8:23AM

    I am not sure why you took the coin out of the locket? That is what made the coin interesting. I used to buy my golfing buddies common AU walking Liberty halves for their ball markers. Everyone told me that the coins always got a lot of attention and made it easy to get the conversations going when they were taking clients out to golf.

    A $20 WLH half with some luster looks like the most fascinating novelty to a non-collector.

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ARCO said:
    I am not sure why you took the coin out of the locket? That is what made the coin interesting. I used to buy my golfing buddies common AU walking Liberty halves for their ball markers. Everyone told me that the coins always got a lot of attention and made it easy to get the conversations going when they were taking clients out to golf.

    A $20 WLH half with some luster looks like the most fascinating novelty to a non-collector.

    It was way too thick to be a practical ball marker.

    I actually like the coin so much better now as it resides in a 2x2.

    If the locket was 9K gold instead of gold-plate, I would have kept it as an antique piece of jewellery, even though it was still an antique.

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a unique one of a kind golden Barber! I LOVE it <3

  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DoubleEagle59 said:

    @ARCO said:
    I am not sure why you took the coin out of the locket? That is what made the coin interesting. I used to buy my golfing buddies common AU walking Liberty halves for their ball markers. Everyone told me that the coins always got a lot of attention and made it easy to get the conversations going when they were taking clients out to golf.

    A $20 WLH half with some luster looks like the most fascinating novelty to a non-collector.

    It was way too thick to be a practical ball marker.

    I actually like the coin so much better now as it resides in a 2x2.

    If the locket was 9K gold instead of gold-plate, I would have kept it as an antique piece of jewellery, even though it was still an antique.

    I collect exonumia, so I see the value in the piece as is. As for a ball marker, there are a billion other coins not in a really cool locket that could have been chosen. Not a criticism, just an observation.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm with Arco. It was worth at least double or more in the locket than free from it. Now it's just a problem coin. :/

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2019 4:50PM

    @amwldcoin said:
    I'm with Arco. It was worth at least double or more in the locket than free from it. Now it's just a problem coin. :/

    It was always a problem coin.

    A gold-plated cruddy locket wouldn't have added any value whatsoever.

    I agree, it makes it more 'interesting', but 'interesting' doesn't pay the bills.

    Sell it to a dealer in or out of the locket and every dealer will say 'it's gold-plated!! It's not worth much now!"

    That's why I only paid $60 for it.

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You might be surprised to find there is a market for vintage stuff like that! There aren't that many around.

    @DoubleEagle59 said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    I'm with Arco. It was worth at least double or more in the locket than free from it. Now it's just a problem coin. :/

    It was always a problem coin.

    A gold-plated cruddy locket wouldn't have added any value whatsoever.

    I agree, it makes it more 'interesting', but 'interesting' doesn't pay the bills.

    Sell it to a dealer in or out of the locket and every dealer will say 'it's gold-plated!! It's not worth much now!"

    That's why I only paid $60 for it.

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    You might be surprised to find there is a market for vintage stuff like that! There aren't that many around.

    @DoubleEagle59 said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    I'm with Arco. It was worth at least double or more in the locket than free from it. Now it's just a problem coin. :/

    It was always a problem coin.

    A gold-plated cruddy locket wouldn't have added any value whatsoever.

    I agree, it makes it more 'interesting', but 'interesting' doesn't pay the bills.

    Sell it to a dealer in or out of the locket and every dealer will say 'it's gold-plated!! It's not worth much now!"

    That's why I only paid $60 for it.

    Please educate me.

    I'd like your opinion of the value of the quarter on its own and another value for the quarter in the locket.

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 28, 2019 4:46AM

    If the locket is as you describe....most especially crystal lenses I would wager the right person would pay $200 or more for it. The fact that the lenses are crystal indicates it was probably done in the teens or twenties. The coin raw...IMHO is worth give or take $50.

    If it was a Barber Half I would probably pay over $300 for it for my esoteric Barber Half collection. I have several love tokens and they are hard to find on Barber Half's.

    Edit to add, I am like @ThePennyLady with her Indian Cent collection. I am always looking for neat stuff made from Barbers Believe me there is not much contemporary stuff out there probably due to the unpopularity of the design during the times. I would wager Charmy could give some insight here.

    @DoubleEagle59 said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    You might be surprised to find there is a market for vintage stuff like that! There aren't that many around.

    @DoubleEagle59 said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    I'm with Arco. It was worth at least double or more in the locket than free from it. Now it's just a problem coin. :/

    It was always a problem coin.

    A gold-plated cruddy locket wouldn't have added any value whatsoever.

    I agree, it makes it more 'interesting', but 'interesting' doesn't pay the bills.

    Sell it to a dealer in or out of the locket and every dealer will say 'it's gold-plated!! It's not worth much now!"

    That's why I only paid $60 for it.

    Please educate me.

    I'd like your opinion of the value of the quarter on its own and another value for the quarter in the locket.

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ugh, why did you remove it?

    agreed, now just a problem coin.

    neither MS nor Proof

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the info everyone.

    So what I've learned is maximum value (in the locket) is $200.

    Without the locket, let's say what I paid for it...$60.00.

    If I get a good offer of $200 or more, for it here in Canada, I'll let you know, but I guess my chances are slim, at best.

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)

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