Anyone familiar with Mother Nature's Showroom?

Zoins · February 18, 2019 10:09AM

They have a lot of PCGS TrueView toners, including many top pops, and are based in Florida. I was wondering if the are related to EDM or other PCGS focused dealers in the area?

https://www.ebay.com/usr/mother_natures_showroom

U1chicago · February 18, 2019 10:57AM

Seems to be another account for EDM. You can see the similarity between the descriptions and coins of the two accounts.

bronco2078 · February 18, 2019 11:34AM

Gack!!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-PANAMA-1-BALBOA-PCGS-PR68-MULTI-COLOR-TONED-COIN-NONE-GRADED-HIGHER/183682985364?hash=item2ac45bed94:g:TV4AAOSwb7RcYyNz:rk:10:pf:0

bolivarshagnasty · February 18, 2019 4:43PM

Ocoee FL is a suburb of Orlando where EDM is located. Very likely a weekly auction site as all are auctions and not BIN.

cameonut2011 · February 18, 2019 4:45PM

I see a lot of AT coins.

bolivarshagnasty · February 18, 2019 5:33PM

@cameonut2011 said:
I see a lot of AT coins.

I do as well. I see some naturally toned stuff. I see some stuff that I'm not sure about. After viewing all that is offered, I'm not convinced this is EDM, though they have a few of their pieces for sale.

edited to add........ Just reviewed 13+ pages of EDM stuff. Looks the same to me.

U1chicago · February 18, 2019 7:51PM

@bolivarshagnasty said:

@cameonut2011 said:
I see a lot of AT coins.

I do as well. I see some naturally toned stuff. I see some stuff that I'm not sure about. After viewing all that is offered, I'm not convinced this is EDM, though they have a few of their pieces for sale.

I see a lot of overlap. And the new seller has a bunch of single examples of the same type of coins that EDM has multiples of. For example, take a look at this toned Euro coin. The titles, descriptions, and type of coins are all very similar.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-R-ITALY-2-EURO-CENTS-BU-PCGS-MS67RD-RAINBOW-TONED-TOP-GRADE-WORLDWIDE/183682659614?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20160727114228&meid=89d412c8494b4bc5a9e5ca6d6f2a547c&pid=100290&rk=4&rkt=4&sd=132954420553&itm=183682659614&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-R-ITALY-2-EURO-CENT-BU-PCGS-MS65RD-COLOR-TONED-COIN-NONE-GRADED-HIGHER/273707831833?hash=item3fba421219:g:7j8AAOSw0ylcWHof:rk:3:pf:0

Paradisefound · February 18, 2019 7:57PM

This is very interesting

Zoins · February 18, 2019 8:39PM

@Paradisefound said:
This is very interesting

Here's the link for that coin. It does remind me of coins sold by EDM which is why I was wondering if they were working together. It could be, however, as mentioned above that it's a store front for EDM.

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36867069

ricko · February 19, 2019 7:31AM

Well now... No RickO Approved sticker for those coins.... Cheers, RickO

bolivarshagnasty · February 19, 2019 11:18AM

WHAT ARE YOU DOING PCGS?

PR68DCAM

sellitstore · February 19, 2019 12:38PM

Did those carbon spots on the 68S Lincoln develop after the coin was graded and holdered? It doesn't look like a 67 now.

Zoins · February 19, 2019 8:54PM

@sellitstore said:
Did those carbon spots on the 68S Lincoln develop after the coin was graded and holdered? It doesn't look like a 67 now.

TrueViews are done out of the holder. If the coin was graded and TrueViewed at the same time then the spots were on the coin when it was graded. If the coin was TrueViewed after it was slabbed, then they could have formed after slabbing and were present during the TrueView.

Since the dealer has a lot of coins, perhaps the coin was graded and TrueViewed together if it's cert number is within a large set of similarly toned coins.

Zoins · February 19, 2019 10:42PM

@bolivarshagnasty said:
WHAT ARE YOU DOING PCGS?

PR68DCAM

This is a pop 6/5 and offered for $343.99 now.

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36006601

Zoins · February 26, 2019 9:30PM

@Paradisefound said:
This is very interesting

Sold for 4x the PCGS Price Guide Value!

This is already on Cert Verification:

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36867069

bolivarshagnasty · February 27, 2019 3:16AM

This site has another 159 coins listed this week as true auctions. I would estimate less than a dozen naturally toned coins mixed in with all of the doctored toners.

Zoins · April 22, 2019 2:51AM

@Zoins said:

@Paradisefound said:
This is very interesting

Here's the link for that coin. It does remind me of coins sold by EDM which is why I was wondering if they were working together. It could be, however, as mentioned above that it's a store front for EDM.

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36867069

This is interesting. EDM is currently selling 36867065 with a very similar look. At first I thought it was the same coin posted by @Paradisefound, but it's just 4 cert numbers off with some in between that look the same.

When I looked into this more, there are 42 consecutive cert numbers for 1968-S proof cents. They are sold by MNS, EDM and GreatToning.

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36867065

Previous coins by MNS:

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36867069
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36867067

Previous coins by GreatToning:

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36867070

Putting them all together we have the following. Looks like EDM and MNS are selling coins from a single submission.

I didn't have time to check or link all the eBay listings.

Zoins · April 22, 2019 3:20AM

@Zoins said:

@bolivarshagnasty said:
WHAT ARE YOU DOING PCGS?

PR68DCAM

This is a pop 6/5 and offered for $343.99 now.

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36006601

This coin was offered by EDM and is now being offered by MNS.

MNS Auction: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-FM-JAMAICA-TEN-DOLLARS-PCGS-PR68DCAM-MONSTER-TONED-ONLY-5-GRADED-HIGHER/183769141320

Hemispherical · April 22, 2019 4:26AM

Many sellers/dealers want to take advantage of any tax breaks with a business license. Applying for a business is fairly easy. Many jurisdictions make the information available to the public.

Internet search engines, the Wayback machine, and other internet related programs can dig up a lot of information.

Do a search.

“[name of business] business license, ocoee, fl”

Zoins · April 2, 2022 7:32AM

Wow. I haven't looked into Mother Nature's Showroom for a long time, but they ended up in my search results today.

They seem to have come a long way with their own photography, unless the coins had these photos already when acquired.

jayPem · April 2, 2022 7:48AM

Electronic Dance Music

SilverAge3 · September 12, 2022 6:11PM

I'm fairly new to all this, but I was suspicious of both these sellers selling artificially toned pieces (both show in results for graded large British penny and half penny and other pre-decimal coins). I wanted to see if my assumption was correct that these are doctored.

How is it these huge dumps of AT coins are getting straight graded by any TPG?

Oh, and this is curious:

There are two ebay store fronts with the name, one capitalizes first letter of each word w/ no underscores in url, the other is all lowercase w/ underscores in url. One is a user, one a store. But both are selling.

https://www.ebay.com/usr/mother_natures_showroom?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5338731574&customid=&toolid=10001

https://www.ebay.com/str/mothernaturesshowroom?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5338731574&customid=&toolid=10001

Their fb page has no underscores, their IG does, or vice versa, I forget, but they def use both in social media.

Another seller in Florida, in Deltona, I'm cautious of is

https://www.ebay.com/usr/collectiblesandcoinsotw

Are their toned coins also AT, in the opinion of more experienced numis? As I said, I'm pretty new to all this. I did look, and at least Deltona isn't very near Orlando, fwiw. But maybe these are all sellers for someone in Florida getting bulk grading done on AT coins. I'm still wondering how dozens (or many hundreds) of these AT coins are getting straight graded, most are in pcgs slabs, but not all. Either way, it's not a great look for these tpg to allow so much through like this.

AlanSki · September 12, 2022 7:33PM

They gas many of their coins. Natures showroom is a spin-off off EDM.

LanceNewmanOCC · September 12, 2022 8:39PM

ah, heck, just for funsies. tinkered with a TV

Zoins · September 13, 2022 9:35PM

@LanceNewmanOCC said:
ah, heck, just for funsies. tinkered with a TV

Very interesting that there is a new TrueView for this. The enhanced brightness looks nice on yours.

LanceNewmanOCC · September 14, 2022 6:38AM

@Zoins said:
Very interesting that there is a new TrueView for this. The enhanced brightness looks nice on yours.

hey thanks.

usually i edit stuff pretty quickly but for this one, because i am not accustomed to seeing 68-s target toned, figured i'd doodle with the TV to see what i could turn up from the legend area, an area i've noticed the pcgs photo studio is not capturing very well on a lot of coins for some reason and with a coin like this, i think with that toning pattern and location, it is kinda important to see what is going on in that specific area.

i do know there is probably a wide variance of monitor settings/viewable results so i try to presume most of the time, a decent % to each image looking different on my screen(s) that other peoples. i used several settings to arrive where i did, not that i'm saying it was necessary to use them all.

pcgs photo studio has the upper hand though, since they can see the coin in-hand and then see the TV, i presume.

nj catching there is a new tv and indeed, that is interesting. it seems the fingerprint is getting slightly worse as well.

robec · September 14, 2022 7:26AM

@Zoins said:

@Paradisefound said:
This is very interesting

Sold for 4x the PCGS Price Guide Value!

Are you really surprised that toners sell for 4x price guide?

That is nothing compared to what some are sold for.
In some cases 4x guide would be considered the bargain of the year.

AlanSki · September 14, 2022 8:21AM

My 68S

Anyone familiar with Mother Nature's Showroom?

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