NGC to PCGS Crossover

I have some $10 Gold Indians graded NGC MS-65 and i wanted to submit them to PCGS for Possible Crossover so i can use them in my registry set. The coins are Stong for the grade I think but I wanted to ask you guys what you feel my chances are of them crossing over at the same grade? Anyone have any experience doing this?

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 6,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It depends on the coins. While both services have less than ideal coins in optimistic plastic, NGC seems to have a lot more especially for the generics.

  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I sent in 5 coins once praying 1 of them would cross over the same grade in 1 submission. All 5 failed needless to say I now own 5 coins worth much less. But there in PCGS plastic and I LOVE PCGS plastic. I will never do that again.

  • vplitevplite Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭

    Based on my experience, you can generally expect to lose a grade {65 to 64). Your eye and coins might be better than mine, though and I know some have had better "luck".

    Good luck & please let us know what happens.

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  • skier07skier07 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s tough to say without seeing the coins in hand. But I would send them in to cross only at the same grade or higher. There’s too big a price drop from a 65 to 64 or 63. If you’re unsuccessful you can always try again or sell them and buy a PCGS coin. Good luck and keep us posted.

  • I've submitted 13 NGC coins (all Barber dimes) for crossover to PCGS.

    Of those, 10 crossed at the same grade, 1 crossed one grade lower (61 to 58), and 2 didn't cross. In the case of the two that didn't, both were 58s that I suspect would have crossed as 55s, but I preferred to keep them where they were rather than take the loss in value. For whatever light such a small sampling can shed, my experience was that NGC and PCGS were in agreement 77% of the time.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In my experience NGC is much more strict on Pre-33 US gold so I would expect you have a very good chance they will cross. Can't say the same about other series.

    Then there is always gradeflation. If the coin was slabbed 10 years ago it's probably a grade higher by todays standards, 20 years ago probably 2, maybe 3 grades higher etc.

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2019 6:14AM

    2 for 2 but both were CAC

    If they are strong 65, it should be fine.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2019 11:40AM

    I have cracked out mainly ICG / Anacs material for cross in past. Results mixed. Also rattler Holder material upgrade - success or same grade here.

    NGC / PMG has as much or more material on eBay as Pcgs. I go by the NGC price for MV valuation / pricing. About 60 pct my slabs Pcgs.

    Crossing a coin at lesser grade / huge hit is not an option for me especially on $10 MS65 gold (an unacceptable huge hit) I would blow it out somewhere like bay, GC before doing that. Did you consult with a US gold specialist on this?

    I cracked and sent (test) an x Pcgs coin (generic dollar) to ngc - it downgraded from pl to ms but got same grade. Anything can happen in the cross game. My goal happy ending not downgrade lol.

    In your case I wonder if you bought low end material somebody dumping or what. Had these coins gone bad in Holder? I am not a registry hobbyist. My excel sheet does just fine.

    Your experience is one reason I recommend investors (unless experienced specialist) purchase slabbed USGTC or MWG close to melt. Even if your material crossed successfully any buyer would have to agree with the grade on the Holder pay the money on that kind big ticket material. Also blue sheet sb used in any cross decision / Risk mgt - what is change in blue sheet bid value of desired result / downgrade. And perhaps consultation on dealer who specializes in that particular issue.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 17,541 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do you really want to play the registry set game? It can get very costly.

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  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 871 ✭✭✭✭

    I would suggest you do what will bring you the most enjoyment from your coins. Only you can answer that. If you post photos you’ll get more feedback. Either way, good luck

  • Thank you for all your comments. To be clear I would only submit to Crossover at the same grade or higher. PCGS Allows this and that way I don’t have to worry about them being downgraded. I bought these years ago from the owner of one of the Premier coin operations in America and he doesn’t buy the holder he always buys the coin so I feel I should have a pretty good chance.

  • @291fifth said:
    Do you really want to play the registry set game? It can get very costly.

    That’s the truth!

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2019 11:57AM

    Blue sheet on common $10 Indians in MS65 is $2050 NGC, $2000 PCGs, and $940 MS64 both.

    That’s a big loss on those if downgrade. Losses don’t float my boat. Agreed as far as registry hobbyists it’s their money / hobby.

    I would not recommend you cross these at a lower grade. I have customers online and shows: do both NGC / PCGS, PCGS only, NGC only. Now if your talking a big ticket rarity where the blue sheet difference is considerable fav if Pcgs that’s different but Finc risk sb managed by specifying same grade or higher on subm form.

    Sure I prefer Pcgs and submit to them only but some ngc common ms 64 peace $ Somebody won on eBay at $36 the other nite will not result in Cali falling into ocean.

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This isn't Las Vegas. There's skill involved - if you know how to grade, crack them out and save yourself a lot of money!

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  • For some reading I’ve noticed from talking to other people that it seems that CAC is stricter when it comes to $10 Indians

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 5,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will throw in my experience with Barber Half's. Every NGC AU I have cracked and sent in graded a notch lower.

  • On recent auction results MS-65 $10 Indians that are PCGS and CAC are Bringing double what the non CAC coins are bringing in MS-65. That’s Pretty Amazing

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 6,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gluggo said:
    I sent in 5 coins once praying 1 of them would cross over the same grade in 1 submission. All 5 failed needless to say I now own 5 coins worth much less. But there in PCGS plastic and I LOVE PCGS plastic. I will never do that again.

    If you attempt a crossover in the NGC holder, the grades are going to be conservative. I would regrade them later before selling (albeit when standards "normalize").

  • @cameonut2011 said:

    @Gluggo said:
    I sent in 5 coins once praying 1 of them would cross over the same grade in 1 submission. All 5 failed needless to say I now own 5 coins worth much less. But there in PCGS plastic and I LOVE PCGS plastic. I will never do that again.

    If you attempt a crossover in the NGC holder, the grades are going to be conservative. I would regrade them later before selling (albeit when standards "normalize").

    If you don’t mind me asking what do you mean by “normalize”

  • sniocsusniocsu Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭

    I cannot help to think that the grade on the NGC holder will bias graders... likely will not go higher than a 65+ or a 66 even for an extremely PQ coin. Not sure as to the blinding process of the PCGS graders if there even is one

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 6,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2019 9:06PM

    @blackhorse360 said:

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @Gluggo said:
    I sent in 5 coins once praying 1 of them would cross over the same grade in 1 submission. All 5 failed needless to say I now own 5 coins worth much less. But there in PCGS plastic and I LOVE PCGS plastic. I will never do that again.

    If you attempt a crossover in the NGC holder, the grades are going to be conservative. I would regrade them later before selling (albeit when standards "normalize").

    If you don’t mind me asking what do you mean by “normalize”

    The grading has been much tougher over the last several months in what I perceive to be an over correction after a period of looser grading. I don't think this is the new normal.

  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 6,349 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would sell them in their current state and use the funds to purchase what you desire.
    Seems less risky and you have a bit more control of the situation.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2019 11:50AM

    Assuming these common dates c no issue or reason fret. Blue sheet ngc on MS 65 $10 Indian $2050, $2000 PCGS.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 19,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blackhorse360 said:

    @291fifth said:
    Do you really want to play the registry set game? It can get very costly.

    That’s the truth!

    The Registry is a great vehicle for the coin hobby if used correctly.


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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,273 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @blackhorse360 said:

    @291fifth said:
    Do you really want to play the registry set game? It can get very costly.

    That’s the truth!

    The Registry is a great vehicle for the coin hobby if used correctly.

    How is it used incorrectly?

  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭

    Obviously the coin, not the holder, will determine if it will cross!

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 19,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wabbit2313 said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @blackhorse360 said:

    @291fifth said:
    Do you really want to play the registry set game? It can get very costly.

    That’s the truth!

    The Registry is a great vehicle for the coin hobby if used correctly.

    How is it used incorrectly?

    I assumed he meant people who bought only for the grade on the holder and didn't stay within their budget and over spent trying to keep up with the Hansens.


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  • @Cougar1978 said:
    Assuming these common dates c no issue or reason fret. Blue sheet ngc on MS 65 $10 Indian $2050, $2000 PCGS.

    Your Right but I can’t find anyone who will sell one for that

  • rickoricko Posts: 67,808 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The only way to find out, it to submit them... whether you crack them or send them as is...up to you... Let us know what you decide and what happens. Cheers, RickO

  • @ricko said:
    The only way to find out, it to submit them... whether you crack them or send them as is...up to you... Let us know what you decide and what happens. Cheers, RickO

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you are doing this just because you prefer PCGS, then I would recommend you send the coins to CAC and sell the ones that green bean and purchase pcgs coins of the grade and denomination you desire. If you just wish to do it for value, good luck. Doesn't seem to be a good time for that. JMO


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  • slider23slider23 Posts: 252 ✭✭✭

    When I converted my NGC/PCGS registry set to only PCGS, I sent 14 NGC coins in for same grade crossover, 9 crossed. On the NGC coins that did not cross one was a CAC that I sold. I cracked out two of the none crossed coins and submitted to PCGS and both came back one grade less. The only way to find out if your NGC coins will cross is to submit.

  • @slider23 said:
    When I converted my NGC/PCGS registry set to only PCGS, I sent 14 NGC coins in for same grade crossover, 9 crossed. On the NGC coins that did not cross one was a CAC that I sold. I cracked out two of the none crossed coins and submitted to PCGS and both came back one grade less. The only way to find out if your NGC coins will cross is to submit.

    Yeah that’s what I think

  • AblinkyAblinky Posts: 599 ✭✭✭

    If they're common dates, why bother. All the grading fees will eat up any value difference anyway.

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  • @Ablinky said:
    If they're common dates, why bother. All the grading fees will eat up any value difference anyway.

    If you have a common date MS-65 Indian in a NGC holder and it crosses to PCGS MS-65 It will for sure bring more money

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