Jefferson nickel error--messed up coin--what have I got here? Now graded
TPRC
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I am posting this because I don't know errors very well and I want to get opinions on just what I've got here. I intend to submit this at Baltimore. It is one messed up Jefferson. I have heard various comments on what it is as follows, but it certainly has multiple things going on:
- It is a mated pair and fits together;
- It is at least double struck;
- I don't think it is a split planchet as there are light strike impressions on the back side of each piece;
- I thought it was a feeder finger, but now I think it is struck on a fragment;
- The fragment appears to have a clip;
- I have been told that the larger piece is a capped die, and it appears so, as opposed to a broadstrike;
- The larger piece weighs 4.93 gms., which I think is within tolerance, and the smaller piece weighs 2.72 gms.; and
- FWIW, it is uncirculated and a full step coin, which I grade a 63, and I haven't seen one with this much going on before, but I am also a relative newby on errors, and generally don't collect them.
For now, I am calling it a mated pair, double struck, struck on a fragment with a clip, and with a capped die, or something like that.
Comments welcome.
Tom
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It will be interesting to hear what the experts say. I'm calling it FUBB. Use your imagination.
Super awesome mated pair.
It is a struck fragment, struck into a normal planchet with extra pressure causing the huge broadstrike.
If I owned it, I think I’d want it slabbed together as the mated pair
I could see it looking nice in a double slab.
Nice piece imo
Nice.
Wow is a good description....
bob
What about having it slabbed together in a single holder, but pay for the extra TrueView of the two mated pieces? Two piece slabs don't fit in anything and you would only be paying one $65 fee plus the extra TrueView.
Looks like it was a piece of the webbing left over from punching out the planchets.
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And it looks like the webbing was struck once prior to being struck through into this coin
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Awesome.
This is something I've never seen being involved in a multi-error coin. Very shwaveebojalay.
As interesting a broadstrike that I have seen. Definitely would have them slabbed as a mated pair. Thanks for sharing.
Jim
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neat.
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This begs to answer the queston: How does scrap get fed into the press? I clearly do not have my mind around this process.
bob
That's wild. Playing after midnight? Found in a crank-case?
The correct term is FUBAR.
Or, as Mr. Spock would say, Fascinating!
Nice Steps!
fubar for sure. I like
Wow....I will not even venture any further hypothesis as to origin... Where did you get this piece?? I am sure it was not in the coinstar reject slot....
Cheers, RickO
Oh, I recognize it as a Jefferson nickel, but I don't believe it. LOL
As to be this being made after midnight, well I do not but that theory, because .......
.......... the reverse has scratches. I believe these scratches came from the coin being stuck in a machine and then the operator used something to remove this piece resulting in the scratching,
Had this been done at midnight, I think they would take it out of the machine very carefully.
That is a mighty impressive mated pair. It looks like both pieces were struck once individually before being struck together. It is almost a shame to get them slabbed separately because they are so much more interesting to look at when pieced together. Thank you for sharing.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
A piece of scrap webbing made it into the coining chamber, was struck once and was not ejected. Then a normal planchet was fed in below and the pair was struck at least two additional times as it stuck to the die.
I can’t recall seeing this combo before, and it’s certainly a rare and valuable error. Almost a shame to slab these, and not really necessary.
BTW, this officially marks the most impressive “what’s this error” thread I can remember!
I bought it at my favorite local shop where it had been sitting for quite a while labeled simply as "Mated Pair." I passed over it many times, but once I started looking, there was just too much going on to ignore. However, I paid what I think is a lot for it, as I thought it might be a feeder finger. I don't know how to test for feeder finger material, but I suspect it is a specific gravity test. In any event, it looks like nickel and not aluminum, which is what I think a feeder finger is, so I believe it is just a fragment. And I also think it is only the fragment that is double struck.
Tom
Nice Set - there was a few batches
of dramatic errors like this that came
out in the mid-late '60's.......this pair
is probably from those groups.......
Should be in a two piece holder, imo,
not placed in one holder together.
@TPRC look at the reverse of the bottom coin. You can see the lettering from the first strike at the rims and rotated a bit from the second strike, particularly at “of America”.
I stand corrected, perhaps. I had seen that earlier, but with so much on this coin, I had forgotten it. I am struggling to figure out how any TPG would be able to fit the description of the coin on the slab. Of course, if it is a double slab, that may help. But query-- Is that an actual double strike, or just a stretching and rotating of the out of collar broadstruck reverse?
Tom
Looks like a piece of planchet scrap from punching out planchets placed on top of a normal planchet, then struck.
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I really wasn't sure what to expect with this, but it turned out pretty nicely.
Tom
Very impressive error(s) & nicely displayed. Congrats
Wow, amazing !!!
Might have a better effect if the struck scrap piece was reversed in the holder.
Graded 65 too. 😛😂
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Very impressive
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Very very nice @TPRC!
You don't see that everyday. Amazing! Congratulations!
This. Would have made for a much better presentation if the two faces struck by the obverse die were shown together. It would also make it obvious how coin 1 fit into coin 2. If it were mine, I would ask them to reholder it.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Yes, Coin #2 should have been flipped over in the holder.
I have problems myself sometimes with them not putting
the right side of the error 'up', even though I mark the
submission flip as such.
Super nice error!
Very Nice!
Weren't 1964 dated nickels struck for several years due to the coin shortage? When the mint pushes production to it's limits, more mistakes will happen and less will be caught.
This looks like an example of "Haste makes waste" but good thing that "One man trash [waste] is another man's treasure". This is a treasure, indeed.
Nice error, nice in the double holder.
I always wonder how these escaped the mint. Possibly in a canvas bag, but who found it? A collector? A bank employee? What a find that would have been!
I missed this when originally posted... fantastic error coin! Congrats on coin and grade!
Thanks for the comments. I really didn't know what to expect and thought this would come back in a way oversized holder, rather than a double holder. I think I agree that it would look better with the two obverses up. I will probably get it re-holdered. I guess I'll have to pay a re-holder fee, but that is OK too.
Tom