Most impressive streak, Williams or joltin joe?

craig44craig44 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭
edited January 2, 2019 6:01PM in Sports Talk

Who do you think had the most impressive streak?
Dimaggios 56 game hit streak in 1941

Or

Ted Williams 84 consecutive games on base in 1949?

Give me williams streak. Less heralded, but more difficult

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  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 6,288 ✭✭✭✭✭

    most impressive roman emperor Caligula

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 17,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Both were impressive, I want to say Williams getting on base but looking at it unbiased DiMaggio had to actually get a hit where Williams could Walk, Hit, HBP, Fielders Choice ect.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 17,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We won’t really know the correct answer until Dallas chimes in though

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭

    Joe's streak was impressive. add 28 more games on base and you equal williams though.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 4,383 ✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    Who do you think had the most impressive streak?
    Dimaggios 56 game hit streak in 1941

    Or

    Ted Williams 84 consecutive games on base in 1949?

    Give me williams streak. Less heralded, but more difficult

    Agree completely.

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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    We won’t really know the correct answer until Dallas chimes in though

    LOL

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2019 6:25AM

    Although Joe failed to get a hit in Game 57, he did walk to reach base in a streak that would extend to 74 consecutive games which is second all time to Ted Williams mark of 84 games.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 4,383 ✭✭✭✭

    If I remember correctly Williams also has the longest streak of getting on base 18 straight at bats, many of them walks.

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  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Edwin Moses. You can look it up!

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:
    If I remember correctly Williams also has the longest streak of getting on base 18 straight at bats, many of them walks.

    getting on base in 18 consecutive at bats is unreal. that may trump both of the other streaks. think of the laser focus that must have taken.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 26,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the fact that Williams was the last man to average over .400 for a season in the modern era is more impressive than either of those two streaks. Furthermore Williams could have sat out the last two games and gone gotten to .400 via rounding. He didn't. He put is record on the line and had a great day.

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 20,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have to agree that DiMaggio's feat was more impressive.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 20,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bronco2078 said:
    most impressive roman emperor Caligula

    Caligula does hold the record for (censored by moderator) in a single season which is very impressive.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 6,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2019 9:04AM

    better president ? Taft or Van Buren?

    In his historic 6 goal game which of Daryl Sittlers goals was prettiest? No snowflakes in sports back then , poor Dave resse in goal for all 11 of the goals against . Sissy Patrick Roy cried over being in for only 9 a decade or so later :D

  • stevekstevek Posts: 20,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bronco2078 said:
    better president ? Taft or Van Buren?

    In his historic 6 goal game which of Daryl Sittlers goals was prettiest? No snowflakes in sports back then , poor Dave resse in goal for all 11 of the goals against . Sissy Patrick Roy cried over being in for only 9 a decade or so later :D

    Taft because he was fatter.

  • Joltin Joe. He had to do something in a pressure situation every night. Williiams' streak is amazing; but the pitcher throws 4 balls and he's on base. Not as pressure packed whatsoever. 56 games has no chance of happening again because of the media/pressure. A hitter would get past 35 and they would crush him. Plus pitchers would walk him.

  • TabeTabe Posts: 3,088 ✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    I think the fact that Williams was the last man to average over .400 for a season in the modern era is more impressive than either of those two streaks. Furthermore Williams could have sat out the last two games and gone gotten to .400 via rounding. He didn't. He put is record on the line and had a great day.

    My favorite Ted Williams factoid:

    Williams hit ..388, hit .400, won two Triple Crowns, and won two MVPs - and none of those six things happened in the same season.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2019 4:55PM

    I think even more impressive:

    During DiMaggios' 56 game hitting streak, from game 1 to game 56, Ted Williams hit
    for a higher batting average than DiMaggio did.
    Hard to fathom, a guy is going to get at least 1 hit in 56 straight games, but Mr. Ballgame can outhit him.

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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019 4:25AM

    What good is a Triple Crown anymore when many fans today (granted the nerdiest of them) scoff at batting average.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭

    @softparade said:
    What good is a Triple Crown anymore when many fans today (granted the nerdiest of them) scoff at batting average.

    The triple crown was, I believe inspired by the horse racing triple crown. That is why there are three stats used and not two or four or five. At the time, BA and RBI were seen as important metrics. Not so much today. So no, the triple crown isnt really all that "good" anymore. It really wasnt that "good" to begin with. Look at the 2012 season. Trout was the best player in the league that year, but Miggy won the Triple Crown and the MVP.

    And yes, softparade, I still scoff at BA (and RBI)

  • Skin2Skin2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019 10:19AM

    I guess it comes down to which was harder. How does each rank compared to the next 10, 20, 50, or 100 streaks of the same kind?

  • Skin2Skin2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019 10:26AM

    Top on base streaks:

    Ted Williams 84 1949 BOS
    Joe DiMaggio 74 1941 NYY
    Ted Williams 73 1941 BOS
    Orlando Cabrera 63 2006 LAA
    Mark McGwire 61 1995-96 OAK
    Jim Thome 60 2002-03 CLE-PHI
    Duke Snider 58 1954 BRO
    Will Clark 58 1995-96 TEX
    George Kell 57 1950 DET
    Wade Boggs 57 1985 BOS
    Barry Bonds 57 2003 SFG
    Derek Jeter 57 1998-99 NYY
    Frank Thomas 57

    Top hitting streaks:

    Joe DiMaggio, Yankees, 1941, 56 games Coverage >
    • Willie Keeler, Orioles, 1896-97, 45 games Watch >
    • Pete Rose, Reds, 1978, 44 games Watch >
    • Bill Dahlen, Cubs, 1894, 42 games
    • George Sisler, Browns, 1922, 41 games
    • Ty Cobb, Tigers, 1911, 40 games
    • Paul Molitor, Brewers, 1987, 39 games Watch >
    • Jimmy Rollins, Phillies, 2005-06, 38 games Watch >
    • Tommy Holmes, Braves, 1945, 37 games
    • Gene DeMontreville, Senators, 1896-97, 36 games
    • Chase Utley, Phillies, 2006, 35 games Watch >
    • Luis Castillo, Marlins, 2002, 35 games Watch >
    • George Sisler, Browns, 1924-25, 35 games
    • Ty Cobb, Tigers, 1917, 35 games
    • Fred Clarke, Colonels, 1895, 35 games

    I don't feel like doing the math...but it looks like Ted Williams streak was more heads and shoulders above the rest of the field. The fact that Williams has two of the top three is the more impressive thing in this conversation.

  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 5,715 ✭✭✭✭

    Laid out like that, the DiMaggio hitting streak is more impressive w/a longer stretch of games above 2nd, and higher %. Tough call w/Williams at 1st & 3rd in the on-base, and DiMaggio 1st in the hitting and 2nd in the OB, but I'm guessing the DiMaggio are both from the same streak. Cobb with two of the top 10 hitting streaks jumps out as impressive as well.

  • Skin2Skin2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019 11:06AM

    @LarkinCollector said:
    Laid out like that, the DiMaggio hitting streak is more impressive w/a longer stretch of games above 2nd, and higher %. Tough call w/Williams at 1st & 3rd in the on-base, and DiMaggio 1st in the hitting and 2nd in the OB, but I'm guessing the DiMaggio are both from the same streak. Cobb with two of the top 10 hitting streaks jumps out as impressive as well.

    You are correct. Williams was 35% more than the average of the next nine on his list. Dimaggio was 40% more than the next nine on his list.

    Yes, Dimaggio was from the same streak for both lists.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 26,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the factor that has turned off a lot of baseball fans to the batting average title is the fact that does not measure run production. If a player has a high batting average but has low numbers in the RBI and runs scored department, the fans have point. BUT if he is a “table setter” who has a high on base percentage and a lot of runs scored, I think that those who discount his batting average are missing the point.

    You can go back to the 1962 New York Mets who were one of the worst teams in history. They had Frank Thomas, who was not the slugger who played for the White Sox years ago, but a third baseman with the same name who played for Cubs in early 1960s before they sold him to the Mets. Thomas hit 34 homeruns that year, but it didn’t mean much because there usually no one on base when he hit them.

    Yes, the player who can hit with power and a high average with lots of RBIs is the ideal. The “table setters” are just as necessary however, if a team is going to succeed.

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  • TabeTabe Posts: 3,088 ✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    The triple crown was, I believe inspired by the horse racing triple crown. That is why there are three stats used and not two or four or five. At the time, BA and RBI were seen as important metrics. Not so much today. So no, the triple crown isnt really all that "good" anymore. It really wasnt that "good" to begin with. Look at the 2012 season. Trout was the best player in the league that year, but Miggy won the Triple Crown and the MVP.

    Cabrera hit 14 more homers, had a higher slugging percentage, led the majors in total bases, led the league in slugging, led the league in OPS, and had basically the same OPS+ and OBP. AND played 22 more games than Trout. Trout winning would not have been "wrong" but I think the voters got it right.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 20,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tabe said:

    @BillJones said:
    I think the fact that Williams was the last man to average over .400 for a season in the modern era is more impressive than either of those two streaks. Furthermore Williams could have sat out the last two games and gone gotten to .400 via rounding. He didn't. He put is record on the line and had a great day.

    My favorite Ted Williams factoid:

    Williams hit ..388, hit .400, won two Triple Crowns, and won two MVPs - and none of those six things happened in the same season.

    That's a great trivia question. I knew that the year Williams batted .400 he finished second to DiMaggio in the MVP voting, but I wasn't aware of the rest never happening in the same season.

  • MLBdaysMLBdays Posts: 242 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2019 4:23AM

    Neither Ted nor Joe would be able to do either in todays game ... not against 4 different 98-100mph flame throwing pitchers ... back then hurlers were hitting 88-89mph with the occasional exception of a Herb Score or Bob Feller who could pump it. I think both streaks set by these two are comparably similar and special~ they are two Greek Gods of MLB.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 18,070 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is like choosing between Ginger and Marianne. There is no wrong answer

    m

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  • Skin2Skin2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:
    This is like choosing between Ginger and Marianne. There is no wrong answer

    m

    Why choose? Just sample both.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:
    This is like choosing between Ginger and Marianne. There is no wrong answer

    m

    I always thought her name was spelled Mary Ann. My God all these years of fantasizing and
    I didn't even know how to spell her name!

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    nobody picks Ginger over mary anne

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