Most impressive streak, Williams or joltin joe?
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Who do you think had the most impressive streak?
Dimaggios 56 game hit streak in 1941
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Ted Williams 84 consecutive games on base in 1949?
Give me williams streak. Less heralded, but more difficult
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
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Both were impressive, I want to say Williams getting on base but looking at it unbiased DiMaggio had to actually get a hit where Williams could Walk, Hit, HBP, Fielders Choice ect.
We won’t really know the correct answer until Dallas chimes in though
Joe's streak was impressive. add 28 more games on base and you equal williams though.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Agree completely.
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Although Joe failed to get a hit in Game 57, he did walk to reach base in a streak that would extend to 74 consecutive games which is second all time to Ted Williams mark of 84 games.
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If I remember correctly Williams also has the longest streak of getting on base 18 straight at bats, many of them walks.
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getting on base in 18 consecutive at bats is unreal. that may trump both of the other streaks. think of the laser focus that must have taken.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I think the fact that Williams was the last man to average over .400 for a season in the modern era is more impressive than either of those two streaks. Furthermore Williams could have sat out the last two games and gone gotten to .400 via rounding. He didn't. He put is record on the line and had a great day.
I have to agree that DiMaggio's feat was more impressive.
Caligula does hold the record for (censored by moderator) in a single season which is very impressive.
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Joltin Joe. He had to do something in a pressure situation every night. Williiams' streak is amazing; but the pitcher throws 4 balls and he's on base. Not as pressure packed whatsoever. 56 games has no chance of happening again because of the media/pressure. A hitter would get past 35 and they would crush him. Plus pitchers would walk him.
My favorite Ted Williams factoid:
Williams hit ..388, hit .400, won two Triple Crowns, and won two MVPs - and none of those six things happened in the same season.
I think even more impressive:
During DiMaggios' 56 game hitting streak, from game 1 to game 56, Ted Williams hit
for a higher batting average than DiMaggio did.
Hard to fathom, a guy is going to get at least 1 hit in 56 straight games, but Mr. Ballgame can outhit him.
What good is a Triple Crown anymore when many fans today (granted the nerdiest of them) scoff at batting average.
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The triple crown was, I believe inspired by the horse racing triple crown. That is why there are three stats used and not two or four or five. At the time, BA and RBI were seen as important metrics. Not so much today. So no, the triple crown isnt really all that "good" anymore. It really wasnt that "good" to begin with. Look at the 2012 season. Trout was the best player in the league that year, but Miggy won the Triple Crown and the MVP.
And yes, softparade, I still scoff at BA (and RBI)
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I guess it comes down to which was harder. How does each rank compared to the next 10, 20, 50, or 100 streaks of the same kind?
Top on base streaks:
Ted Williams 84 1949 BOS
Joe DiMaggio 74 1941 NYY
Ted Williams 73 1941 BOS
Orlando Cabrera 63 2006 LAA
Mark McGwire 61 1995-96 OAK
Jim Thome 60 2002-03 CLE-PHI
Duke Snider 58 1954 BRO
Will Clark 58 1995-96 TEX
George Kell 57 1950 DET
Wade Boggs 57 1985 BOS
Barry Bonds 57 2003 SFG
Derek Jeter 57 1998-99 NYY
Frank Thomas 57
Top hitting streaks:
Joe DiMaggio, Yankees, 1941, 56 games Coverage >
• Willie Keeler, Orioles, 1896-97, 45 games Watch >
• Pete Rose, Reds, 1978, 44 games Watch >
• Bill Dahlen, Cubs, 1894, 42 games
• George Sisler, Browns, 1922, 41 games
• Ty Cobb, Tigers, 1911, 40 games
• Paul Molitor, Brewers, 1987, 39 games Watch >
• Jimmy Rollins, Phillies, 2005-06, 38 games Watch >
• Tommy Holmes, Braves, 1945, 37 games
• Gene DeMontreville, Senators, 1896-97, 36 games
• Chase Utley, Phillies, 2006, 35 games Watch >
• Luis Castillo, Marlins, 2002, 35 games Watch >
• George Sisler, Browns, 1924-25, 35 games
• Ty Cobb, Tigers, 1917, 35 games
• Fred Clarke, Colonels, 1895, 35 games
I don't feel like doing the math...but it looks like Ted Williams streak was more heads and shoulders above the rest of the field. The fact that Williams has two of the top three is the more impressive thing in this conversation.
Laid out like that, the DiMaggio hitting streak is more impressive w/a longer stretch of games above 2nd, and higher %. Tough call w/Williams at 1st & 3rd in the on-base, and DiMaggio 1st in the hitting and 2nd in the OB, but I'm guessing the DiMaggio are both from the same streak. Cobb with two of the top 10 hitting streaks jumps out as impressive as well.
You are correct. Williams was 35% more than the average of the next nine on his list. Dimaggio was 40% more than the next nine on his list.
Yes, Dimaggio was from the same streak for both lists.
I think the factor that has turned off a lot of baseball fans to the batting average title is the fact that does not measure run production. If a player has a high batting average but has low numbers in the RBI and runs scored department, the fans have point. BUT if he is a “table setter” who has a high on base percentage and a lot of runs scored, I think that those who discount his batting average are missing the point.
You can go back to the 1962 New York Mets who were one of the worst teams in history. They had Frank Thomas, who was not the slugger who played for the White Sox years ago, but a third baseman with the same name who played for Cubs in early 1960s before they sold him to the Mets. Thomas hit 34 homeruns that year, but it didn’t mean much because there usually no one on base when he hit them.
Yes, the player who can hit with power and a high average with lots of RBIs is the ideal. The “table setters” are just as necessary however, if a team is going to succeed.
Cabrera hit 14 more homers, had a higher slugging percentage, led the majors in total bases, led the league in slugging, led the league in OPS, and had basically the same OPS+ and OBP. AND played 22 more games than Trout. Trout winning would not have been "wrong" but I think the voters got it right.
That's a great trivia question. I knew that the year Williams batted .400 he finished second to DiMaggio in the MVP voting, but I wasn't aware of the rest never happening in the same season.
This is like choosing between Ginger and Marianne. There is no wrong answer
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Why choose? Just sample both.
I always thought her name was spelled Mary Ann. My God all these years of fantasizing and
I didn't even know how to spell her name!
nobody picks Ginger over mary anne
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