I just got back a Beckett order and received

olb31

a grade on the 1997 Bowman Beltre that has "no foil" on it. The "no foil" means there the card is missing his name and the "bowman" name on the front of the card. PSA does not grade these because some book put out by John John Smith doesn't list it as a variation. (This card is not much different than the black ink debacle of the 1990 Frank Thomas card that most everyone covets). Anyway it graded an 8.5 and is a pop 1 and the only one ever graded by Beckett. Just a thought I would share, Thanks.

1951WheatiesPremium

Pick?

HighGradeLegends

@1951WheatiesPremium said:
Pick?

this

olb31

Are you both asking to see a picture?

abcde12345

Picktur please.

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05)

@olb31 said:
Are you both asking to see a picture?

Yes

dictoresno

some of those cards back then were backdoored Bowman proofs, which this may be. and no, PSA usually won't grade them.

BunchOBull

Beckett has been recognizing these types of manufacturing errors for several years, but I would say a foil error is much different than a printing error, as it's an after-print addition, not actually part of the lithography process.

olb31

@BunchOBull said:
Beckett has been recognizing these types of manufacturing errors for several years, but I would say a foil error is much different than a printing error, as it's an after-print addition, not actually part of the lithography process.

It's a variation, that's easily noticed. IMO, just grade the card, acknowledge the variation, let the consumer decide. Especially when you are talking about a mainstream set. I like the way Beckett handled this card and the Randy Johnson Fleer card.

olb31

@dictoresno said:
some of those cards back then were backdoored Bowman proofs, which this may be. and no, PSA usually won't grade them.

I opened two boxes of these back in 1997 and received 10 of these "no foil" cards. 10 different ones that is. If you could get them in packs, then they should be acknowledged as "variations". IMO.

olb31

@lawyer05 said:

@olb31 said:
Are you both asking to see a picture?

Yes

Will do tomorrow.

1951WheatiesPremium

@olb31 said:

@lawyer05 said:

@olb31 said:
Are you both asking to see a picture?

Yes

Will do tomorrow.

I was too.

I think ‘Pic’ got autocorrected.

PROMETHIUS88

Yes, a pitcher of this card would be great to see!

ReggieCleveland

I think the difference between print defect and variation is more art than science.

Arthur