HOF Quiz
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It's a quiz with a twist, and a twist that makes it pretty close to impossible. But I don't care, I created it for my own amusement.
Identify the HOFer and the non-HOFer:
stats are Innings, Wins, Losses, Strikeouts and ERA
Question 1:
Pitcher 1: 3156, 190-174, 1720, 3.92
Pitcher 2: 3186, 209-164, 1728, 3.40
- The non-HOFer got 1.2% in his last HOF vote
Question 2:
Pitcher A: 3638, 217-191, 2832, 3.44
Pitcher B: 3826, 246-206, 2564, 3.90
- The non-HOFer got 5.2% in his last HOF vote
stats are ABs. Hits, HR, RBI, BA, OPS
Question 3:
Hitter A: 8673, 2380, 350, .274, .811
Hitter B: 8300, 2296, 348, .277, .789
- The non-HOFer got 0.6% in his last HOF vote
Have fun!
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
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Beet Blylevin, Ron Santo
for question 2 are the pitchers Koosman and Lolich? no clue on the others.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
HOFers
Q1 - P2
Q2 - PB
Q3 - HA
Chubby Checker did the twist.
Knowing Dallas the answers to question 2 has to be Lolich and Morris. Need to think about the other questions
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When I see the words "have fun" in a DA thread, I vamoose.
Good to see you posting, Commem.
You got 1 out of 3.
And Q2 does have Lolich and Morris, sort of. There's a twist, remember. See, isn't this fun?
And just as an aside, is there a Tigers fan who believes Morris belongs in the HOF but Lolich doesn't? I've never heard an argument advanced for Morris that doesn't also apply, but with greater force, to Lolich. I don't think either one of them is even close to HOF level, but Lolich was clearly better.
Question 1. This is a reach but maybe Milt Pappas and Dennis Eckersley ( starts only? )
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You're on the right path....
I feel like I’m on a bobsled ride to hell
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Question 3. Again Im stretching and the numbers probably don’t line up exactly BUT
Tony Perez and Chili Davis. The caveat is that Tony Perez stunk his last five years. He literally padded his stats on a part time basis. Chili Davis last year playing looked a lot like he could be an all-star. Davis had no old man years. He retired on a high note. If you deduct Perez’s last five seasons which he shouldn’t of been playing his NON old man totals were almost identical to that of Chili Davis
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Hoping for better results in round 2 ...
Non-HOFers
Pitcher 2 - Pappas
Pitcher A - Lolich
Hitter A - Chili Davis
3 for 3. But that was the easy part (no twist).
Joey Dee?
OK, since you are all clamoring to know the answers:
Hunter-Pappas
Lolich-Morris
Davis-Rice
The "twist" is that the HOF stats are their stats from road games only, normalized to a full career.
That's right, Catfish Hunter's ERA away from his pitcher-friendly home parks was 3.90. There is simply no reasonable argument that he was a better pitcher than Milt Pappas. Or that Jack Morris was a better pitcher than Mickey Lolich; just try to trot out the "but he was great in the WS" argument on Morris' behalf here, I dare you.
And putting it in mathematical terms, Jim Rice = Chili Davis + Fenway Park. If you don't believe it, it is simply because you don't understand it.
Sandy Koufax?
If you look at ERA+ Pappas is actually rated higher than the other three pitchers mentioned.
What I remember most about Pappas is that he was the guy traded for Frank Robinson. Never looked at his numbers until now and he was pretty darn good, especially in the three year run before the trade, He seemed a little inconsistent though. I didn't look at his home/away numbers only year to year basic stats. With Robinson being a HOFer, Pappas got regulated to being the butt of a joke about bad trades. Seems rather unfair to me.
Lolich had a nice run and was MVP of the WS the year McLain won 30 games. Otherwise not great.
Hunter had a great run 71-75, both before and after that he was average.
Morris seems to be a pretty average pitcher for a long time with a few very nice years here and there. He did have a good year for the Twins when he pitched here. I will always remember him for a great game 7 (sorry). Longevity seems to have been his best asset along with being able to stay healthy. He is also a jerk. Met him once at a signing, he obviously had no time for me, even though there was no line for his auto. Big surprise there.
Chili Davis was a nice player as well, underrated. Also had a great year in 1991 for my Twins. Rice of course had those big years in Boston and had a higher SLG than Chili.
I can see where you could argue that NONE of these players "deserve" to be in the hall. Your point about players playing well at home is valid, but other than Larry Walker, doesn't seem to be taken into consideration. Some polls suggest Koufax was the greatest pitcher of all time, not so outside of his home field.
Winning MVP's and World Series' does though.
Koufax was definitely helped by Dodger stadium
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
You could say that:
Dodger Stadium - 57-15, 1.37 ERA
Everywhere else: 108-72, 3.38 ERA
Larry Walker gets ripped for where he played, Koufax considered by some to be a GOAT.
Idiotic!