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Vermont Half - Is it Fake?

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First thing that caught my eye was the "toning" or "shoe polish" look. Then I saw the "pimple" above the 9 in the date. Repeated on all fakes. This is a result of a bubble bursting when a die was made via casting from a real coin. As the die cooled the bubble bust and left a dent in the die. Then with every coin struck from that fake die it was imparted as a blob of extra metal on the surface of the new fake. I call them pimples as that's what the appear as.

    bob

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AUandAG said:
    First thing that caught my eye was the "toning" or "shoe polish" look. Then I saw the "pimple" above the 9 in the date. Repeated on all fakes. This is a result of a bubble bursting when a die was made via casting from a real coin. As the die cooled the bubble bust and left a dent in the die. Then with every coin struck from that fake die it was imparted as a blob of extra metal on the surface of the new fake. I call them pimples as that's what the appear as.

    bob

    Yup, that's what it looks like to me. It's a good fake, but I fear the day they perfect the technology that @dcarr has.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, we have a new variety, called “the pug nosed catamount.” The cat’s nose is too near the rim, which was the first thing I saw. This is a dangerous counterfeit, however. It could fool a lot of people.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound said:
    Cougar vs stuffed Catamount AKA Catamountain

    Sadly, that was the last known Catamount, shot and stuffed in 1881. There were none left even when the VT commem was made :( I understand they may introduce Cougars from the West into northern New England.

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Clearly a counterfeit. First thing that stood out to me was the cougar ear... the fake one is rounded... while the real one is elongated. But regardless, this will fool the more inexperienced.

    ----- kj
  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,804 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks off to me, too. :(

  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2018 9:21AM

    I viewed a counterfeit Vermont Commem. this past summer (in Vermont, mind you!). They do exist. The example I saw had microsscopic bumps on its surface and a crude rim, so it was easier to distinguish as fake. I don't know offhand about the coin in this thread, but I can see why people are saying it's bad.

  • CRH4LIFECRH4LIFE Posts: 849 ✭✭✭✭

    I ran into the same counterfeit Vermont half at a coin store and tried convincing the owner it was well a copy and it didn’t sit well with him.

  • CRH4LIFECRH4LIFE Posts: 849 ✭✭✭✭

    Btw I looked for a reference and found this and compared the images today I seen and exact characteristics show

  • CRH4LIFECRH4LIFE Posts: 849 ✭✭✭✭

    Genuine Vermont half’s I have seen show no doubling or sloppy strikes over throughout the entire coin

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ah, a blast from the past. Glad this helped you out, if it did. BTW, I won my case with ebay against the seller of the coin, so thanks to the forum for saving me some $$$.

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