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Extremely rare 1849 Wiener St. Paul's Cathedral medal MS64 in SILVER

WeissWeiss Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 11, 2018 6:08AM in Buy, Sell & Trade - World & Ancient Coins

An extremely rare, likely unique, Jacques Wiener 1849 St. Paul's Cathedral medal struck not in bronze, not in white metal, but in silver.
BHM-2363 AR
74.4 grams
NGC graded MS64

Exhibiting century-old tab toning with prooflike mirror fields and elements of rainbow highlights obverse and reverse.
Deeply struck and virtually flawless considering its 170 year age.

An elite medal, arguably the finest of the entire Wiener series.

Please permit the unusual indulgence of serious inquires only from longstanding members or those with references. PM me for details.

Correspondence with Wiener specialist Ben Weiss regarding this piece available.

Note: This is a Coin Rarities Online archive piece:

http://www.coinraritiesonline.com/index.php?page=archive&task=det_item&item_id=595931

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do you have a price in mind?

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  • baddogssbaddogss Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have the bronze version, actually have all five of the English cathedrals by wiener.
    I am a serious collector of these medals and I'd be interested. Bob

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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PMs sent on these inquiries. Feel free to contact me for any additional information.

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,707 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now that's a pretty cool medal!


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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This piece is still available. Please feel free to share with your contacts. Commission possible.

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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 15, 2018 5:59PM

    Is it the 3d effect that make these desirable?

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  • baddogssbaddogss Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said:
    Is it the 3d effect that make these desirable?

    Not to walk over Weiss' post, but here's a link to a biographical sketch of Jaques Wiener.
    Talks of the overall series, also mentions the rarity of the silver medals.

    Information and website courtesy of Ben Weiss - has a lot of great information on these medals.

    historicalartmedals.com/MEDAL%20WEB%20ENTRIES/BIOSKETCHES%20AND%20OTHER%20TEXT/BELGIUM/BIOGRAPHICAL%20SKETCH%20OF%20MEDALLISTS.htm

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  • BoncuBoncu Posts: 8 ✭✭✭

    Great medal - doubtless very rare, but not unique. In the early 1980's, a custom fitted case containing 25 silver Cathedral medals (including St. Paul's) has been sold in Germany - estimate was 10.000 Deutsche Mark and if I'm not wrong the lucky buyer won it even for less. However, I was too young to realize that once-in-a-lifetime opportunity at that time - and too short of money as well. Apart from these, I just came across a Münsterkirche zu Bonn silver medal which was not for sale and the Münsterkirche zu Aachen silver medal shown in my profile picture. And, of course, a few Cologne Cathedral silver medals showing different stages of the construction process.

  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You know, a couple of people over the last several years told me they heard from a guy who heard from a guy that 20, or 30, or was it 40 years ago there was an auction in London or Berlin or was it Madrid that almost certainly had a St. Paul's (or Hagia or NotreDam or maybe it was a Strasbourg) Weiner, and they were really, really, almost completely positive it was a silver (or was it white metal, or maybe silvered?).

    But hey. Maybe they're right.

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  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Have you tried offering it back to John? He may know others who wanted to buy it at the time.

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wicked cool Weiss

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  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2019 7:00PM

    My apologies. I didn't realize this was a BST thread.

    Nice medal.

  • CoinsAZCoinsAZ Posts: 1 ✭

    A truly impressive medal because of it's rarity and of course it's a Wiener cathedral medal

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So how much is this?

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  • baddogssbaddogss Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was searching for something else and this thread caught my attention.

    I know it's been 3 years, but I'm curious if this medal sold? Thanks, Bob

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2022 4:49AM

    Bump.

    Beautiful piece!

    Just ran across this again!

    Great to see NGC slabbed this. Anyone know if PCGS slabs these?

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Big and beautiful. Peace Roy

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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you! And yes, it's still available. And apparently in the (checks watch) four years since this was posted, no other records or images of a Wiener St. Paul's in silver have surfaced. Though one guy claims he saw a similar piece in an auction in Hamburg, or Herne, or was it Köln back in 1982 during the Fauklands War.

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,707 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice Wiener


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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoKopeiki said:
    Nice Wiener

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,707 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know, I know, I'll see myself out


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  • FrankHFrankH Posts: 946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2023 7:57AM

    @Weiss said:
    Thank you! And yes, it's still available. And apparently in the (checks watch) four years since this was posted, no other records or images of a Wiener St. Paul's in silver have surfaced. Though one guy claims he saw a similar piece in an auction in Hamburg, or Herne, or was it Köln back in 1982 during the Fauklands War.

    Have you thought of listing it as a "St. Paul's Cathedral /Devil's Tower Weiner" medal? I mean with more flowery words maybe. :p

  • Reeky007Reeky007 Posts: 5 ✭

    I, think, we have a full set of Weiner Medals, in their original box. Beyond this we have an additional medals.

  • KnellKnell Posts: 453 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know this is not BST but would like to relay a quick message.
    I have a book of Cathedral medal by Emiel Van Hoydonck for sale. PM if anyone is interested. Thanks, and sorry for posting here.

  • tcollectstcollects Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Reeky007 said:
    I, think, we have a full set of Weiner Medals, in their original box. Beyond this we have an additional medals.

    that's cool

  • BoncuBoncu Posts: 8 ✭✭✭

    @Weiss said:
    Thank you! And yes, it's still available. And apparently in the (checks watch) four years since this was posted, no other records or images of a Wiener St. Paul's in silver have surfaced. Though one guy claims he saw a similar piece in an auction in Hamburg, or Herne, or was it Köln back in 1982 during the Fauklands War.

    The "guy" doesn't claim - he KNOWS that another piece has been sold in the early 80's. I offered to send you a proof by PM and there was no reaction from you . But hey - just keep on dreaming it's unique ...

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