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How rare is 1985 p quarter with reversed reverse.

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  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 9, 2018 11:23AM

    @Billylan76 said:

    Check to see if it is a trick/magician coin by checking for seams on the edge or along the rim.

    Hard to tell with your pic but the reverse of the coin along the reeding on the edge looks suspect...

    Edit to add:

  • Billylan76Billylan76 Posts: 27 ✭

    @Hemispherical said:

    @Billylan76 said:

    Check to see if it is a trick/magician coin by checking for seams on the edge or along the rim.

    Hard to tell with your pic but the reverse of the coin along the reeding on the edge looks suspect...

    Ive checked but found no Tampering

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Need clear pics of obverse, reverse, and edge.

  • Billylan76Billylan76 Posts: 27 ✭

    @Hemispherical said:
    Need clear pics of obverse, reverse, and edge.

    Ill get them up asap

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,188 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Alignment error is possibility of coin is real. Sharper images of obv, rev and edge please. Peace Roy

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  • Billylan76Billylan76 Posts: 27 ✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    Alignment error is possibility of coin is real. Sharper images of obv, rev and edge please. Peace Roy

    Gonna put those up asap

  • TiborTibor Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The reflection in the mirror will show a reversed reverse.
    How about a pic of the reverse straight on, without the mirror.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The reflection indicates a rotated die error... We will be able to help more with better pictures. Cheers, RickO

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the coin is a genuine coin, I would think that a 180 degree rotation on the reverse is very uncommon in my humble opinion. Welcome to the forum!

  • ColonialcoinColonialcoin Posts: 711 ✭✭✭✭

    Medal turn in the case of your coin is when the top of Washington’s Head is opposite the eagle’s head on the reverse.

    Coin turn will have the top of Washington’s head opposite the claws of the eagle on the reverse.

    I have no idea if it’s worth more. You would have to ask a dealer that specializes in that. I personally collect pre-1807 coins and the dies, moreso with with colonials, rotated all over the place. In other words, I will not pay a premium or sell at a premium early dated coins if it is struck from rotated dies.

  • Billylan76Billylan76 Posts: 27 ✭

    Thank you all for your time and your feed back. I will post better pics shortly. Im not wanting to sell or make money. I have a collection of coins i find and one of proofs and uncirculated. Its nothing much yet but with time and wisdom i hope to have a beautiful collection one day. I could only imagine a set of coins that old and unique. Lucky man. Thanks again guys.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would appear to be a medal reverse (rotated die). I concur on better, clear images.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,510 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If genuine, a very rare error.
    Question: if you drop this coin and a normal coin on a hard surface one after the other, do they sound the same?

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some potential options:
    1) magicians coin (hollow or reversible)
    2) counterfeit
    3) major rotated die error

    All 3 are nice finds. but #3 is by far the best.

  • Billylan76Billylan76 Posts: 27 ✭

    There is no trickery to it. Its genuine. I know im no expert, but if someone could humor me , could someone give a ballpark of rarity and possible value? Its not in great shape, its just for my own personal pride. Lol

  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭

    There is an audience for rotated die moderns.


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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice find.
    The site rotateddies.com lists a 1985-P Washington quarter with a 180 degree rotated reverse as an estimated R6 (13 - 20 known). This is a great site for info on rotated dies. Hope this helps.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RichieURich said:
    Nice find.
    The site rotateddies.com lists a 1985-P Washington quarter with a 180 degree rotated reverse as an estimated R6 (13 - 20 known). This is a great site for info on rotated dies. Hope this helps.

    You mean it is a real thing??? :#B)

    Nice find, then.

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now to get it authenticated.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RichieURich said:
    Nice find.
    The site rotateddies.com lists a 1985-P Washington quarter with a 180 degree rotated reverse as an estimated R6 (13 - 20 known). This is a great site for info on rotated dies. Hope this helps.

    I didn't even know that a site like that existed. Thanks!

    I'm always learning something new here.

    Pete

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  • ilikemonstersilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭

    @RichieURich said:
    Nice find.
    The site rotateddies.com lists a 1985-P Washington quarter with a 180 degree rotated reverse as an estimated R6 (13 - 20 known). This is a great site for info on rotated dies. Hope this helps.

    You can find R6 Rotated Die’s in the $20-30 range. Only R7 & R8 are worth good money. I’ve used this website for years. The website hasn’t been updated in years.

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,894 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe a 180 Degree RR Quarter would
    be worth more than $30.

    I'd estimate it's retail value, XF/AU, would be
    closer to $100-$125. More, if it were Choice BU, imo.

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  • ACopACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tibor said:
    The reflection in the mirror will show a reversed reverse.
    How about a pic of the reverse straight on, without the mirror.

    He meant rotated, not reversed.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,510 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RichieURich said:
    Nice find.
    The site rotateddies.com lists a 1985-P Washington quarter with a 180 degree rotated reverse as an estimated R6 (13 - 20 known). This is a great site for info on rotated dies. Hope this helps.

    Thank you for the information! I had never heard of this on a modern coin other than that one commem dollar.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail...I didn't even know that a site like that existed. Thanks!
    I'm always learning something new here.
    Pete

    What Pete said. Never heard of the site. Congrats on the coin find, hoping it to be real.
    Jim


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  • Billylan76Billylan76 Posts: 27 ✭

    Thank you very much. Yall are the bees knees. You are appreciated. Ive got mountains of info

  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Billylan76 said:
    Thank you very much. Yall are the bees knees. You are appreciated. Ive got mountains of info

    'Bee's knees" :D

    Almost as good as "the cat's pajamas".

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