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1916 Lincoln head cent with a “matte proof like” obverse

BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 5, 2018 5:10PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Here is a really neat 1916 Lincoln head cent with an obverse that has all the pizzaz of a matte proof. The reverse not so much,
but a beautiful example of the 1916 cent none the less

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,619 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The obverse reminds me of an 1859 Indian Head Cent I once owned. I was told it was a type of woodgrain effect.
    Jim



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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice look but something about it says recolored to me.. just looks too consistent.

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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2018 3:50AM

    Compare this obverse photo of a so-called ngc 1916 matte proof Lincoln cent sold by Heritage RCG on Jan 4, 2007, lot number 422, I do not think this coin is a matte proof and we discussed it in an older thread. The coin shown above looks more “matte proof like” than the so-called ngc proof. Just goes to show you how tuff these proofs are to call correctly.

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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2018 3:57PM

    Image from first panel repeated below to compare with above image easier....

    ![](https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/c8/eq4bev9kphrt.jpg “”)

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BUFFNIXX ...That cent is really amazing...I assume it is slabbed...What is the grade on that one? Cheers, RickO

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,868 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the Heritage photo was as good as yours the comparison might be a little easier. Super obverse on yours.

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,379 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I only looked at the obverse, I would definitely side with it being a matte proof rather than a business strike.

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But you have to show both sides of a coin, and your example above is not even in the same universe as a proof unfortunately. (See below)

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,090 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This isn't going to be popular, but to me the OP coin appears to have been heavily altered without original color or surfaces. Perhaps it is the lighting or image, but that is how I see it.

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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2018 4:44AM

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    Here is a really neat 1916 Lincoln head cent with an obverse that has all the pizzaz of a matte proof. The reverse not so much,
    but a beautiful example of the 1916 cent none the less

    >

    For me this will make a nice type coin. I am not an expert in matte proof Lincoln head cents but I wonder if this obverse die may have been used to coin some matte proof cents. I know it is possible to tell from certain die markers but whatever the case I really like Lincoln head cents that are “framed” by the thick squared rims of a matte proof, and so this coin is.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    Here is a really neat 1916 Lincoln head cent with an obverse that has all the pizzaz of a matte proof....

    Early Lincoln cents in BU tend to be pizzazzy because of the fresh hubs used to make the dies. Even in a middle die state that yours is (note slight die wear around date), the detail is sharper than on a high grade, well-struck 1966.

  • 23Pairer23Pairer Posts: 911 ✭✭✭

    Here's a 65 for comparison:

  • RoscoRosco Posts: 253 ✭✭✭✭

    I really like the obverse and color myself, QDB comments frequently in his Lincoln cent book that most pristine (undipped) Proof coins are a rich light brown color....head scratch.

    I am with @TomB maybe with the altered surfaces, it seems brushed / whizzed from the photo, lighting, not sure.
    Using a 3x lens on my screen and looking closely at all 3 above obverse pictures, I see several of the primary scratch
    diagnostics for 1916 on the OP coin.,,,yes / no ??

    Around the date and within the 9.
    U S T scratches etc...
    For knowledge and discussion, I will ask if this could be a "Rejected" proof, or an example of what is often said, of
    PF dies being utilized on the production floor for general coinage.

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  • FunwithMPLFunwithMPL Posts: 330 ✭✭✭

    I have been on the go. But your 1916 is not a MATTE proof. The first thing I looked at was Lincoln's ear. If you look at the whole ear on the mint coin their is much less detail then on a MATTE example. With a photo it is very hard to see any of the diagnostics for that year.

                                          Carl      
    
    Collector
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2018 6:31AM

    @TomB said:
    This isn't going to be popular, but to me the OP coin appears to have been heavily altered without original color or surfaces. Perhaps it is the lighting or image, but that is how I see it.

    I am with Tom on this.
    From what my eyes see in this image I see a boinked coin.
    Always look at the rims too.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree this coin is not MPL quality and also has been cleaned.

    Doug
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2018 11:47AM

    I never implied nor do I intend to that this 1916 cent is a matte proof!!

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  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    New hub made in 1916, so the details, especially in Lincoln's beard, are much sharper than even a 1909. It is my favorite year for a type piece because of that.

    thefinn

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