Trying to identify a Kreuzer

MyWorldCoinTypeSet

I'm struggling trying to identify this 1799 Kreuzer I recently acquired from a Steve Album auction:

Can anyone help?

The slab says "Lowenstein-Wertheim-Rochefort" with "Wiebel-391" as the variety. But, it doesn't match any of the Kreuzers in Krause listed under "Lowenstein-Wertheim-Rochefort", and none of those Kreuzers have a 1799 date.

KM#55 under "Lowenstein-Wertheim-Virneburg" seems to match the coin type, but it's a one year type from 1798.

It's probably just an omission in Krause, but I'd like to get the state right, at least. Anyone?

WorldCoinsDmitry

The main Krause books are very much incomplete on German States coins, and for good reason. Their book dedicated solely to these coins is about 3 inches thick. The attribution on your coin is correct, here are a couple examples to verify https://www.ma-shops.com/raffler/item.php?id=16656&lang=en and https://www.kuenker.de/en/archiv/stueck/117598

syl

In the "Instant Identifier" in the front of my Krauses, it matches the photo for Lowenstein-Wertheim (Wurttemberg) and the verbiage description for the "Virneburg" kreuzer matches your coin. I don't see any match for the "Rochefort" line for their kreuzer. It looks like Virneburg was a protestant line, while Rochefort was the catholic line. Since the ruler for Lowenstein-Wertheim changed in 1799 from Carl Ludwig to Friedrich Carl, I would say that it is a Krause omission under "Virneburg, since the verbiage for the 1798 obverse matches for your 1799 kreutzer. Some German States are a bear to identify. I used to have a great reference for the 18th century German States (but written in German), but I gave it to a friend in Buffalo (ajaan). Maybe he can look for it if he reads this.

MyWorldCoinTypeSet

Thanks for the info.