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Anyone else have a 1964p Kennedy with no lower serif on the B in Liberty

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  • WatchbelieveWatchbelieve Posts: 527 ✭✭✭

    Here’s pics of my other kennedys


  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,900 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grease filled die.

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  • WatchbelieveWatchbelieve Posts: 527 ✭✭✭

    How do you know if it’s a grease filled die or if it’s a new die variety .

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,900 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Watchbelieve said:
    How do you know if it’s a grease filled die or if it’s a new die variety .

    I don't "know" in an absolute sense, but I'm fairly certain. Why? Because:
    1. I can see a trace of the serif.
    2. It is a small die feature, easy to fill.
    3. The coin is 54 years old. If it were a die variety there would be thousands of those coins. Don't you think someone would have reported it by now?

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    yuuuup, serifless. :)

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  • WatchbelieveWatchbelieve Posts: 527 ✭✭✭

    Well you make good points but no I don’t think all varieties are known. That’s why new ones are discovered every year. The Smithsonian has the only known 2 1964 Satin SMS sets known with a Denver Mintmark and they didn’t even realize what they had until after 2010. Not sure of the exact date. New discoveries are made everyday. My glass is always half full lol.

  • Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have no idea on this half, I just stopped in to say...

    Not to be a voice of dissent but as a variety enthusiast, I have to point out that there are new varieties recognized often.

    140 new listed in that latest cherrypickers guide.
    One of my personal favorites is the 1938 Proof Nickel with an added serif to the S in Trust. This was discovered a few years ago after over 70 years, granted it didn’t have the same circulation.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,900 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Watchbelieve said:
    Well you make good points but no I don’t think all varieties are known. That’s why new ones are discovered every year. The Smithsonian has the only known 2 1964 Satin SMS sets known with a Denver Mintmark and they didn’t even realize what they had until after 2010. Not sure of the exact date. New discoveries are made everyday. My glass is always half full lol.

    Your glasses are foggy. You've ignored the first 2 reasons completely.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,900 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Aspie_Rocco said:
    I have no idea on this half, I just stopped in to say...

    Not to be a voice of dissent but as a variety enthusiast, I have to point out that there are new varieties recognized often.

    140 new listed in that latest cherrypickers guide.
    One of my personal favorites is the 1938 Proof Nickel with an added serif to the S in Trust. This was discovered a few years ago after over 70 years, granted it didn’t have the same circulation.

    feel free to dissent. But why don't you start by addressing the first two reasons?

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  • Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2018 10:55PM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Aspie_Rocco said:

    feel free to dissent. But why don't you start by addressing the first two reasons?

    You are correct. While I am not certain, I see a flat vertical rectangle where a serif should be. I can possibly see them missing engraving that detail on a die. Sort of makes me think of peg leg Ikes.
    If it was grease filled area I feel it would look different as the grease would have traveled or the area immediately around it might be soft.
    A die chip would have exaggerated the serif.

    Mildly off topic
    Reported varieties can be ignored
    I have discovered several engraving varieties, found Previously not described kinds and I hunt known ones also. I’ll say now there are at least 3 1938 CENT Proof re-engraved varieties that are not listed. There are 1939 and 1940 nickels with at least 3 different ribbon details not listed in any attribution guides yet. I have reported several here before and no one listened/cared/gave me credit. Some eventually were listed on Variety vista.

  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Watchbelieve said:
    How do you know if it’s a grease filled die or if it’s a new die variety .

    I don't "know" in an absolute sense, but I'm fairly certain. Why? Because:
    1. I can see a trace of the serif.
    2. It is a small die feature, easy to fill.
    3. The coin is 54 years old. If it were a die variety there would be thousands of those coins. Don't you think someone would have reported it by now?

    IMO, it looks like die polishing has removed the serif. Very similar to how the serif was removed on the R of LIBERTY on the Ike dollar varieties.

    There still exists a sharp point at the bottom of the B on this half; grease fill would not have this. Additionally there is a large patch of diagonal lines, die polish, in this area.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,900 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GoldenEgg said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Watchbelieve said:
    How do you know if it’s a grease filled die or if it’s a new die variety .

    I don't "know" in an absolute sense, but I'm fairly certain. Why? Because:
    1. I can see a trace of the serif.
    2. It is a small die feature, easy to fill.
    3. The coin is 54 years old. If it were a die variety there would be thousands of those coins. Don't you think someone would have reported it by now?

    IMO, it looks like die polishing has removed the serif. Very similar to how the serif was removed on the R of LIBERTY on the Ike dollar varieties.

    There still exists a sharp point at the bottom of the B on this half; grease fill would not have this. Additionally there is a large patch of diagonal lines, die polish, in this area.

    Also possible.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There has certainly been a lot of discussion in this thread about what is essentially a very minor and unimportant die variety on an extremely common coin. Is this what coin collecting is devolving into?

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2018 5:11AM

    @291fifth said:
    There has certainly been a lot of discussion in this thread about what is essentially a very minor and unimportant die variety on an extremely common coin. Is this what coin collecting is devolving into?

    Always been a niche in the market. I'm not sure why they all landed here.

    There was a guy in my local club who went through hundreds of thousands of coins per year. He had DOZENS of discovery pieces to his credit. He had thousands of minor varieties and occasionally something better.

    Most of it was minor crap he'd be lucky to get 50 cents for. He probably made 25 cents per hour for his time. But that's what he loved doing.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I lean toward the die polish explanation... Cheers, RickO

  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 3, 2018 2:14PM

    No. I just have funky town going on with the right stem of "R" in Liberty. Probably from heavily polished dies, perhaps grease filled, who knows? No mercy this year at mints. They had a mission.

    Abnormal serif

    Normal serif

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 3, 2018 2:49PM

    Looks to me like close to the hair agree with others. Here is my close up

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    I lean toward the die polish explanation... Cheers, RickO

    As do I.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Me three! I can see a mint employee not caring a horses pitoot about that teeny weeny feature. Peace Roy

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